2007-12-27

Togetherness


Me and my husband have a vastly different view of relationships. At times it has caused tension in our years together. I think it totally has to do with our upbringing. My parents are still together after 34 years. His parents are divorced and he has had two "step daddies", and his mother has probably shared too much in regards to their rough patches, as my parents have shielded me from such things. His father is always single.

My parents are a bit more independent. My dad travels a lot for work so they are apart quite often for a day or two. I grew up thinking it was perfectly normal on Sunday morning to have breakfast together and read the newspaper at the table. If you wanted to take a weekend trip to see family or friends, it was ok, the other person would hold down the fort. My mother and father both while obtaining their masters while married with children were away for three or four weeks to take a class or two. I came into a relationship thinking these things were normal.

My husband finds it strange. He thinks we should be together always. If we read at the table, what is the point of being at the table? We had this discussion with his mother, she thought the only people who did that were in the movies. To me reading the newspaper or a book at the table is akin to eating dinner on the coffee table and watching TV, which is something we do often as he refuses to eat at the kitchen table. I have been on one vacation without him since we were together, and it was because he started a new job and was scared to ask for vacation and instead of losing the money on the trip, I took a friend. Me and other friends have talked about taking road trips together, hanging, hell even sleeping over each others house, and it freaks him out, he thinks it is strange. I don't. I am not talking about guy friends either, this is with girls, so no fear of hanky panky. He evens freaks out if he thinks I meet up with friends too often. I have a friend who I met up with after work and we discussed getting together the weekend in the same week. My husband was adamant about me staying home, indicating she could come over, but I had been out enough for the week. It of course started a "disagreement". When I talk about vacations, doing things separate, he says only people who don't love each other do that. I think often times than not he doesn't object to my socializing because he doesn't want me to feel trapped or start to resent him.

One thing he does, that I love him for, since he doesn't want me to go places without him, he will suffer for concerts for me so I am not out without him. He went to he pixies concert and suffered because I was standing the whole time singing the songs. He can't stand the Pixies. That is love right there.

I think since he didn't grow up with his parents together his preconceived notions are in relationships you are always together, not just mentally and emotionally, but literally as well. I always thought independence was good, it made the relationship stronger, as long as you were faithful, a weekend trip with the girls or guys every once in a while wouldn't kill you. I think I am more lax about togetherness because I am not one to think doom and gloom and that separation will occur if we have our own things that are separate and apart. I think him growing up without his father had an impact on his views on relationships, as my parents being together had an impact on mine.

I wonder if I am too lax or if he is too strict in his definition of togetherness.

26 comments:

CW said...

As Bishop Weeks III says "a little heated fellowship"...lol...don't get any ideas there....

Seriously I would love the answer to these types of situations in marriage...How to draw the line between marital compromise and having separate friends/activities...


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Legal Pub said...

Seems like few know the answers CW. But in my opinion, the first step is identifying the questions.

Siditty said...

My question is am I crazy to think it is ok to read at the breakfast table or to have a girls road trip on the weekend?

Casper said...

Do you think that being privy to the datails of the rough patches has made him insecure? maybe he's overcompensating. I do know that when males are raised without a father it developes into a bad self image.

If you think about it, If a son is raised by the mother and the mother is scorned. The mother generaly may have a negetive opinion of men. Things like "Your Father was an *******" etc. (Which may be entirly true) Then compound the issue with the fact the mother may have ******* seeking behavior. Mother may say things like "You better not treat women like this or that." As the boy becomes a man this is a big issue with his self image. This is where momma's boy syndrome comes from.

To quote a movie
"We are a generation men raised by women, I wonder if another woman is the answer we need"

The thing you said that gets me is "He evens freaks out if he thinks I meet up with friends too often" and "I had been out enough for the week" Yikes. He sounds like he loves you alot and would be devestated to lose you, thus the need to be close.

Just my honest opinion

DMB said...

I certainly agree with your assessment (last paragraph)of why you both have different expectations and requirements of "togetherness".

I think you are absolutely within your limits to expect to go on vacations with just the girls and things like that. But given his history, it is understandable that he somehow views it as indicative of dissatisfaction or a problem or neglect.

You guys will work it out. Pretty cool topic and analysis. I don't think we really think enough about how our parents' situations affect our own 'loving styles'.

flowergirl said...

I've put up with a similar type of relationship for almost 18 years (he's an old-school British gentleman). He feels we should be joined at the hip; that I should only take trips with him, if there are movies that we both want to see, I should wait until he comes to town (he lives in London most of the time) so we can see them together. He doesn't have any running buddies of his own, really, and he can't really talk about anything but work when he is with his collegues. I'm the only female that he can relate to, other than his 23 year old daughter, and there are no other women in his life.

Basically because we have this long-distance relationship, I basically have done what I've wanted, but it is a right pain in the ass to always have to explain things.

It's called 'Possesiveness', and I'm sick of it and needless to say, all is coming to an end. If you value your marriage, deal with it before you become resentful, as I have.

Grata said...

*shooting blanks*

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Siditty said...

Do you think that being privy to the datails of the rough patches has made him insecure?

Definitely. He was raised by his mother, who treated him more like a friend than a mother. She had him very young (18) and married his father at the same time. From the little I know of their marriage, it was all bad. His father was very possessive of her and my husband. She tells me a story of where her and my husband were in a car accident when my my husband was a toddler. She had some cuts and bruises, he refused to let her or my husband go to the hospital in fear she would find someone else at the hospital and leave with them.

Even now she shares too much.She talks about she is planning to leave her current husband, which she never does, I have seen her leaving for 8 years. She has shared sexual issues she is having with current husband with her son, my husband. My parents just didn't roll like that. I don't know what they do, they do know what I do in respect to that.

He sounds like he loves you alot and would be devestated to lose you, thus the need to be close.

I definitely feel the love with him, never a day in the eight years we have been together have I ever felt unloved. I just think sometimes he gets a little bit too insecure. I remember when I gained some weight he was actually happy, less guys looking at me. Then when I lost said weight, he got kind of sad. He hasn't figured the only person who will put up with me is him :) Which I tell him all the time.

I think this is our biggest recurring issue, which isn't even that big of an issue to be honest. I think the biggest issue this has ever created was with me turning down a job that paid significantly more due to the amount of travel. He can't do 50% travel, which does cause a bit of resentment because those jobs were jobs I really wanted, but in marriage you have to compromise right?

To be honest he is quick to point out that he does know I am a social person and that he has to let go, he knows I always come home to him. He is and has worked on it, I was just trying to figure out why he was the way he was. It always goes back to the parents LOL

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I basically have done what I've wanted, but it is a right pain in the ass to always have to explain things.

I don't so much mind explaining things to him. But he does ask a lot of questions. LOL

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Grata:

What are you doing!!??!?!?!!

Just stirring up trouble LOL

Casper said...

"he refused to let her or my husband go to the hospital in fear she would find someone else at the hospital and leave with them."

Wow! Ummmmm I had alot more to say about this but I have to draw the line with what is my business. You are very intelligent, and your judgment is right on. His love for you is your foundation and as long as you have that you can build anything. Even hurricane Katrina comes along and knocks everything down you still have that strong foundation and can rebuild twice as strong.

"but in marriage you have to compromise right?"

Really? Huh whats this word "compromise" you speak of?

Yan said...

Siditty,
This is a tough one and something you two have to work out. He HAS to get over the insecurity and connect with friends of his own. A spouse cannot serve as one's sole, or nearly so, source of human contact.

I don't think there is any right view, it really boils down to what each person wants and a compromise that works for both. I have known a few couples that lived together and worked together- in the same dept. I personally like a lot of closeness, but that would drive me bonkers.

Grata said...

"Grata:

What are you doing!!??!?!?!!

Just stirring up trouble LOL"


Sidditty,

No no. No trouble at all. I have never been married and my relationships have not been significantly serious so I am just blank. But I know people in simular situations and yes they are worked up about it. I imagine I would love the attention. But then again I am not a very social and I love my solitude. So with such a partner, I would stick around him but tie him up with tape.

Grata said...

"but in marriage you have to compromise right?"

Really? Huh whats this word "compromise" you speak of?"

Compromise? Yes but also you can not completely let go of what makes you as an individual truly fulfilled.
That job may not have been worth stressing the marriage, but what if a job comes were you feel that a part of you is truly going to grow and be fulfilled by it with the same travel conditions?

Casper said...

Grata

There is really no compromising between me and my spouse. We simply brief eachother on what were doing. My wife is also eight years my senior and a career woman. Not to much stress between us. She doesn't like my occupation but she knew that when she married me and it isn't too much of an issue... Unless I come home with broken ribs or black eyes. LOL

Siditty said...

is love for you is your foundation and as long as you have that you can build anything.

Most definitely.

Really? Huh whats this word "compromise" you speak of?

Silly LOL. We compromise all the time, I love to travel, he hates it. We go on vacation pretty much every year, except for this year.

I am not a fan of pizza, he loves it, we order it at least once every couple of weeks. Likewise he hates sushi, but every blue moon he takes me out for sushi.

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He HAS to get over the insecurity and connect with friends of his own. A spouse cannot serve as one's sole, or nearly so, source of human contact.

Yan:

I think the biggest issue of all is this. He sees his friends daily, they work together. Him and his BFF of over 16 years are both consultants for the same company. They get sick of each other LOL. I on the other hand don't work with my friends, and I am much more social than him. My husband just has one or two friends and that is all he needs. I on the other hand travel in a gang and I am very social, so if even someone I am not really friends with wants to meet up I am cool. As long as we get along and have fun it is all good. The only time he really objects is when it is with guys, which is why now most of my friends are girls.
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Compromise? Yes but also you can not completely let go of what makes you as an individual truly fulfilled.
That job may not have been worth stressing the marriage, but what if a job comes were you feel that a part of you is truly going to grow and be fulfilled by it with the same travel conditions?


Grata:

I definitely believe in that individuality thing. That is why even though I don't understand it, I support my husband's love of Macross and G.I. Joe. He has learned to be supportive of me going back to school, which the first time I went back was an issue for him due to all the time it took (I worked full time and went back to school full time). I remember studying in a bedroom and him coming in just to see what I was doing every five minutes. UUugggghhhh!!!! I love him, but dang let me study LOL. Now I am contemplating getting the Master's again, and he is supportive of that, but I am definitely only doing it part time so that our time is not cut back significantly.

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There is really no compromising between me and my spouse. We simply brief eachother on what were doing.

We brief each other on things too, but we have to compromise, I don't go out three nights a week. He doesn't complain if I come home a little late.

BeautyinBaltimore said...

I think a lot of this is because of the way he was raised. He is most likely afraid that you will replace him with ease after seeing his mother have so many husbands overtime.

avidbloggirl said...

I am a lot like you - I read the paper or a book at the breakfast table and enjoy doing stuff on my own. Luckily my SO is not bothered, I sometimes go out with girlfriends for a "girly day or night out" involving drinks, a movie or shopping. In fact my SO encourages this to the point where I occasionally think " hey, aren't you even a little jealous, don't you care about what I may be up to"? Then again I would probably go mad if he was constantly at my side or questioning my every move... I like my independence. Sounds like two of you are pretty different - usually this is okay if you understand and compensate for each others differences, but if one person only wants it his/her way it can lead to resentment in the long run. The bottom line in maintaining a relationship is communication, communication, communication. Respecting and acknowledging the life experiences which have shaped both your personalities and making a concerted effort to modify things that cause friction is probably the way to go. I know you know this.

avidbloggirl said...

Ya know it's so funny. When a woman is single or in an indifferent relationship she dreams of this prince charming who will call her all the time, want to spend every free minute with her and is generally super attentive. But when she DOES get a man who acts this way - well ...it's just not fun is it? LOL!

Siditty said...

I think a lot of this is because of the way he was raised. He is most likely afraid that you will replace him with ease after seeing his mother have so many husbands overtime.

beautyinbaltimore:

His mother is one of those she has to be in a relationship. She can't ever be single, which in turn she ends up with guys that are not probably not the best fit for her. I hope he realizes I am not her, I am not like her at all!!!!!
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Sounds like two of you are pretty different - usually this is okay if you understand and compensate for each others differences, but if one person only wants it his/her way it can lead to resentment in the long run. The bottom line in maintaining a relationship is communication, communication, communication. Respecting and acknowledging the life experiences which have shaped both your personalities and making a concerted effort to modify things that cause friction is probably the way to go. I know you know this.

avidbloggirl:

I do know this, and to be fair he does work on it, but sometimes he still goes way too far. I think the biggest problem is communication. I am too complacent, I let things slide. I need to tell him when it bothers me more often.

Ya know it's so funny. When a woman is single or in an indifferent relationship she dreams of this prince charming who will call her all the time, want to spend every free minute with her and is generally super attentive. But when she DOES get a man who acts this way - well ...it's just not fun is it? LOL!

So very, very true!!!! LOL

Grata said...

"My wife is also eight years my senior and a career woman. Not to much stress between us. She doesn't like my occupation but she knew that when she married me and it isn't too much of an issue... Unless I come home with broken ribs or black eyes. LOL"

Casper,

8 years your senior? Huh! there is hope for some of us then.
Yeah, I tend to believe that two people are happiest together when they can still be highly independent. Unless ofcourse they are comfortable being very interdependent.

Grata said...

"I remember studying in a bedroom and him coming in just to see what I was doing every five minutes. UUugggghhhh!!!! I love him, but dang let me study LOL."

Sidditty,

Very cute. You have to lay it down to him S L O W L Y! I have come to believe that one of the reasons relationships break is because people get bored. And boredom is a killer.
Unfortunately many people tend to look for their answers from their partner and this as we know is a killer.
One of the main reasons people get bored is because they stop growing, mentally and spiritualy. Through out life we dont stop growing in those dimensions and stagnation will cause anxiety and boredom. Pure poison for the soul and a relationship.

Soila. said...

Siditty,
What's his #?? I'mma tell him you are blogging about him and then now he'll really get pissed LOL... I am just messing with you.

When you find the answer to your problem, let me know coz I am so scared of relationships due to the insecurity issue...

Siditty said...

What's his #?? I'mma tell him you are blogging about him and then now he'll really get pissed LOL... I am just messing with you.

LOL Soila. My husband actually knows I blog all the time about us. He is very aware of this issue, so I don't think I am going behind his back LOL

Sistah with a W hubby for more than a decade said...

I have a similar relationship except both of our parents have been together over 40 years. You have be to careful! You are no longer single and your girlfriends need to realize that as well. Just like he suffered for your Pixies concert you should "suffer" some by passing up a girls weekend or sleep over.

Some of my girlfriends have stayed over with us but I have never spent the night away from home with my gfriends when my hubby is in town. The day that death separates you and your spouse could be any day..even this very night. Cherish the special privilege you have as his wife which means sharing your marriage bed with him.

Above all LISTEN to what he is telling you. If it bothers him, as an act of love, figure out a compromise. Maybe you read for 10 minutes at the table instead of the whole time you all are sharing your meal. I don't know the situation I'm just throwing it out there.

The little annoyances today over time can big a real drag so nip it now.

Grata said...

"Maybe you read for 10 minutes at the table instead of the whole time you all are sharing your meal. I don't know the situation I'm just throwing it out there".

Siddity,

She makes a great point. I sort of overlooked the reading at the table bit. What the hell? That is definitely not dinning etiquette. And this is not just a white thing. You would not fit in many African cultures doing that.
EH Eh! You better look out for those little cultural differences that may mean alot to him. And yes like she said, they can build resentment over time.