2008-06-05

Breast Discrimination


In my last post, had a video with TonyaTko discussing black women and their role in society and how they are treated. A couple of people made comments about Tonya and her boobs, and I knew they would, which is why the disclaimer is in the title. It was assumed that the message would get lost due to a distraction in boobs. I really am starting to get mad. For years I have been self conscience about my boobs. I have dresses that I only wear around the house because they fit so nicely everywhere on my body except the "girls" seem to be a bit overexposed. I rarely if ever wear tank tops or halter tops because of this. No girl with a A cup wearing a tank or halter is told her breasts would be considered distracting, why is a woman who isn't a A cup told that they are? Why are people so hung up on boobs? Is it because people equate them to being sexually promiscuous? Personally I think that people should take a more liberal approach to boobs.

I was on youtube (my new favorite hobby) and was watching a video of this woman who has decided she isn't going to wear a bra anymore. She felt that it is sad that women felt the need to have to wear a bra, and found some studies linked to women wearing bras and the incidence of breast cancer. It would make sense, especially since so many of us wear ill fitting bras. She is opting instead to wear a camisole under her shirts to allow more freedom. She only plans to wear a bra when exercising. I definitely understand that, running and braless boobs can be very painful, but I also understand the pain of wearing an ill fitting bra in which the cup runneth over.

Why as a girl can I not feel comfortable wearing tanks and halters tops in public, why must I feel that if I wear these things out in public I am inviting sexual and lewd comments or stares? Why do I have to buy shirts that do not fit properly to ensure I cover up my breasts? Why must women who breast feed feel the need to hide doing something that is natural to them? I don't feel nursing women should whip them out at the dining room table, but obviously why is it ok for them to breast feed in a dirty and stank public bathroom instead of in a clean, public place? Would you eat your lunch in a bathroom? Why do we expect breast feeding babies to? Why do I have to wear a bra for fear that I my nipples will become obvious in a strong breeze? Why should I be upset I have boobs and nipples, every woman has them, it shouldn't be a huge surprise that when you are cold, the nipples become more noticeable.

What exactly is wrong with breasts? Why is it seem as a bad thing to have big boobs outside of modeling for playboy? I don't understand being chastised for something due to genetics?

40 comments:

texasladybird said...

Good post as always.

As someone chillin over here in the "To big for an A, but not quite enough for a B" corner, all I can do is empathize with your plight.

And not to say your points are not valid, because they are hella valid, it also cuts both ways.

Women with small breasts are encouraged by the evil empire that is the media, that small breasts are not good enough; that small breasted woman are not "real women". Big Breasts = SEXY!

Want to be considered sexy by teh fellas? Do you want validation that you, yes YOU, are a woman? These C cup implants can be yours for only 49.99 per month!

But wait don't we mock and shame women with big ta ta's? Aren't they whores? So that would mean small breasts are GOOD, right?

But that's just my take on it. Me and the Pointer Sister get along ok.

Suesue said...

[ What exactly is wrong with breasts? Why is it seem as a bad thing to have big boobs outside of modeling for playboy? I don't understand being chastised for something due to genetics? ]

LOL:

What is wrong with breasts

The problem is the reason why we have women walking around with hijabs and dresses that cover them from head to toe. Men see,men like and men attack. HAHA...not always a good thing. So the tepmtation men have is associated with promiscuoity and sex = playboy. Since the world is essentially run by MEN, it would be appropriate to eliminate all forms of temptation in order for them to work in a "serious" environment. And if someone does not respect that rule they are seen as frivillous or sluty. Men rule the world...they are embarrassed when they see tits...it is that simple !

P.s: i am a youtube addict

brownskin said...

I know it is totally unfair but that is jus the way it is. A small chested girl can wear things that would just look vulgar on someone with big boobs. For example I do not have big boobs(B cup) but I have a small waist with bigger hips and booty. There are certain things that a girl who had no butt or hips could wear and I could not pull off without stopping traffic.
I would not be too worried about it because covering them up completely just makes them look bigger. It is just a matter of showing the right amount of cleaveage.

Siditty said...

brownskin,

I am doomed. Between the big boobs and big ass I should just throw myself off a cliff.

Seriously, shouldn't I have pulled more men when I was single if that was the case?

anaribnevermind said...

As the first poster said good post as always Siditty. I'm a longer time lurker first time poster (and fellow youtube addict ^_^) and I SO feel your pain.

As a girl with "larger than normal breasts" whom has learned we live very unfair and perverted world. Breasts, anything past a c-cup it seems can work against you rather than for you sometimes.

Suesue made a valid point here:

So the temptation men have is associated with promiscuoity and sex = playboy. Since the world is essentially run by MEN, it would be appropriate to eliminate all forms of temptation in order for them to work in a "serious" environment.

All this is true but what about when we're trying be serious? I get guys are gonna look but can you not look too long and please spare the comments? and for the women who get implants for reasons other than for themselves are mad! I haven't been able to run as I please since I was 7 yrs old and it wasn't that long ago. And there are just certain things I can't wear at all or not in public because then I'd risk being risque! If they knew the fortune alone spent on buying 'good' bras! Seriously I need three jobs! One for the bills, One gas to put in the car, and one for the boobs.

I'm not saying having big breasts are a bad thing as there is bad side and good side to everything I really am proud of having big breasts and try to appreciate them because I'd be crushed if something happened (god forbid breast cancer or any type of cancer at that) to them but sometimes I could really due without the stares, the perverted comments, the negative comments by men and women alike and just be. It's really weird sometimes because most of time I'm not even thinking about how big my breasts are or about breasts period I'm just trying to go about my day but everybody else seems always have something say about them (usually in a weird half way complement half way criticizing way). But really sometimes WTF?!?!?

Miriam said...

Hi Siditty!

I'm going to defer to Suesue. The hard part is, even collar bone and arms can be seen as sexual. Men are just......men! LOL.

but I agree with your question:

"but obviously why is it wrong for them to breast feed in a dirty and stank public bathroom? "

I think getting a clean all girls nursing room is something women should fight for. And NOT settle for 'this is a man's world' -the room can be tucked away and made "Girls Only" or something.

Also, there was an overweight lady here in the neighborhood. (I don't mean big boobs and rear. just all around big) Finally -sick and tired of her clothing dilemmas, she started her own line!

Are there lines of clothing special for the big boobed, etc? Would sewing things to make them slightly different /better fit be an option?

.....and then there's the media...

Where would we be without those guys. sheesh!

great post.

Grata said...

I am one of those that criticized Tonya. Not because of the size of he boobs but because she was displaying them. Where come from there is nothing wrong with a woman breast feeding in public. However boobs on display in the Western fashion sense is a no no. You are presumed naked. So is showing your thighs.

Looking at it from Western Cultural perspective, boobs are highly sexualized in this culture. They are meant to show off one's sexuality, atleast the way I understand it. So was it appropriate for Tonya carrying such an important message to put her girls on dislplay for her target audience who I understand to be black women? Am I missing something here? Does black American culture have a different perception of breasts?

Siditty said...

Welcome anaribnevermind!!!!!!

If they knew the fortune alone spent on buying 'good' bras! Seriously I need three jobs! One for the bills, One gas to put in the car, and one for the boobs.

Thank you!!! Notice the "good bras" look uglier in the larger sizesLOL

I do hate spending $50 or $60 bucks on a really good sports bra. I hve doubled up on sports bras to minimize running pains.

If you notice when I take pictures, I do the head shot only, it is because every pic I take that goes below the neck shows cleavage, and my husband doesn't want anyone to see it LOL

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I'm going to defer to Suesue. The hard part is, even collar bone and arms can be seen as sexual. Men are just......men! LOL.

Miriam:

You ain't never lied LOL. Guys always think about sex.

I think getting a clean all girls nursing room is something women should fight for. And NOT settle for 'this is a man's world' -the room can be tucked away and made "Girls Only" or something.

I think that breast feeding should not be stigmatized, that is until we start seeing 8 year olds breast feeding, I really don't get that. I might be closed minded, but once you start getting teeth, it is time to try formula and baby food. I can't have some child chewing off my nipples.

Are there lines of clothing special for the big boobed, etc? Would sewing things to make them slightly different /better fit be an option?

You can get stuff tailored or altered, but it becomes expensive, but it is a good idea to have someone start a fashion line for shirts for those of us with larger assets in the chest area.

The big booty girls have apple bottoms, what about rocky mountain tops?
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I am one of those that criticized Tonya. Not because of the size of he boobs but because she was displaying them.

Grata:

I don't think she was so much displaying them, but rather wearing something that on someone who might be smaller chested wouldn't have been as noticeable. Not to mention what is wrong with liking your body?

However boobs on display in the Western fashion sense is a no no. You are presumed naked. So is showing your thighs.

You need to come around here in the summer. Tank tops and short shorts abound on women of ALL sizes and ALL ages. LOL

I don't think thigh showing is considered naked, but I don't think noticeable boobs equal naked either.

Looking at it from Western Cultural perspective, boobs are highly sexualized in this culture. They are meant to show off one's sexuality, atleast the way I understand it.

That is my question? Why are breasts sexualized, why can a woman not show her breasts, a men can walk around shirtless to no reaction, but a woman can't even wear a shirt without someone talking about her? Doesn't that seem like a double standard?

Casper said...

I know several women who have had breast augmentation. (I come from a big boobed family on both sides) Alot of it has to do with being accepted as normal. I mean the average is B and C cups. Anytime you have extreme traits its noticed. sometimes good sometimes bad. exceptionally tall people tend to have it better then exceptionally small people. There are guys out there who only date short women, and vise versa. Boobs just happen to be something associated with sex. Super skinny folks to some are seen as frail or unhealthy, obese people to some are seen as lazy. some people out there like the big size.

One woman I met on an airplane was into business and told me she had abnormally large boobs for her frame, she had them aumented and hasn't had a complaint since.

As far as the breast feeding in public, Japan has nursing facilities in just about every major department store. The Japanese are kinda wierd though, sometimes they are modest and sometimes they arn't. If its concidered a natural function, there is alot less modesty, but if that body part isn't being used for other than a natural function then all of a sudden it needs to be covered up. (Public bathrooms are usually VERY public) Just my perspective.

Back in the states I have seen women whip out a boob for breast feeding in really inapropriate times. I think everyone has seen this at least once.

Felicity said...

That is my question? Why are breasts sexualized, why can a woman not show her breasts, a men can walk around shirtless to no reaction, but a woman can't even wear a shirt without someone talking about her? Doesn't that seem like a double standard?

Men think differently from women, that is a fact their brains work differently for us. They did an experiment with a baby boy and a baby girl and male and female monkeys. The babies were just a few hours old, the baby girls looked at faces and the baby boy looked a objects, with the monkeys, the female monkey liked pink and was playing with dolls, brushing and combing the dolls hair, the male monkey like blue and was playing with trains and building blocks. Men are visual people and they had linear thinking, while we can multi-task, they can only concentrate on one thing at a time, while we have the gift of doing several things at once. If the bare chested man is thin, he would not get any reaction from women, however if he is well toned and fit, you will be surprised how much women will be googling him. Now if he walked around with no trousers on, well endowed and a round bottom, he certainly would get lots of reactions. It is just like breasts to men, breasts are objects to them. Why do we like so many shoes, the same pair of shoes in different colours and shopping.
I have big breasts myself, 40G, I get well fitted nice bras and I look good in my clothes and my breasts are for my future husband's eyes only, I still wear nice tops, I don't need to put my breasts on display to get male attention. I get a lot already.

Omagus said...

I just stumbled across your blog and find it quite interesting. I'm not sure I can offer any special insight to this particularly, but I guess I can offer my two cents.

As of right now, the world is run by men. I'm not debating whether that is right or wrong...it just is. And when push comes to shove, policies are made that favor a man's sensibilities (similarly, they favor the sensibilities of people of European descent over other ethnicities). And, as I'm sure you've noticed a time or two, we men aren't always rational.

I don't equate women with large breasts to being promiscuous but it is instinctive for men's thoughts to become sexual in nature at the sight of exposed breasts. I don't know if that should be considered right or wrong but it is natural.

This was kind of a "stream of consciousness" response so I don't know if I am making sense or not...

Suesue said...

As always in the world there is a
"normal standard" where there has to be a certain ideal breast size. I have 90C i am not sure how that translates else where in the world but they look good enough to be considered sexy in tank tops but not slutty.

I knew someone who during their gap year before attending university got a breast reduction because she did not want people at uni knowing her breasts were bigger before. She was short so her breasts made her look fatter than she was...no she had no ass but even tho originally i was wgainst the operation she looked much more petite after. She could wear tops without looking...i wouldn't say slutty but her breasts did not bulged out and look out of proportion.

Do i make sense?

Also since her breasts were so big and she so short she said she suffered from back pains...infact the surgeon wanted to reduce her breasts much more but she refused.

Suesue said...

Notice the "good bras" look uglier in the larger sizes


I forgot to say that is SO TRUE !!!!

Casper said...

40G!?! is that stateside measurements?

Siditty said...

Casper a 40G in UK sizes is like a 40F here in America, which means she has big boobs :)

DiosaNegra1967 said...

Another great post, 'ditty! IMHO:
Breasts are beautiful, as long as:

1 - they're on display for male pleasure....

2 - not used for a natural purpose (i.e. breastfeeding)

Think I lie? I take it y'all've seen all the news stories about women being chastised for breastfeeding in public? People think of it as being nasty....but, let that same woman walk around in a halter top....she's called a sex symbol.

Ridiculous!

DiosaNegra1967 said...

Co-sign about the bigger over-the-shoulder-boulder-holders being U-G-L-Y...unless you fork over $60 and up....

44F over here.... *sigh*

hbg said...

I can relate because I too have large boobs(38DDs). I remember when I was a teenager I hated them because I thought was over developed compared to my female peers and it made me feel ackward especially when I tried to wear cute little tops that where in fashion. They didn't fit well and exposed too much of me. So, I started going for much larger tops that didn't look better either but they at least camouflaged the large boobs.

I am in my thirties now and I have grown accept my large boobs; I wear sexy tops the show the off every opportunity I get, especially in the summertime. I get alot of looks from men and women. The men tends to drool and the women look me as if their disgusted but I know their just jealous.

In America, women's breast are very and overly sexualized. They are viewed an object of and for sex(nevermind what they really were intended for-feeding our young).

In general, women's bodies are highly sexualized;their this dirty little secret that should be hidden away and only looked at in the private or preferrably for men, in some dark nightclub.

Breast also represent; feminity and nurturing to men. The bigger the breast the more feminine and womanly. Men(especially wm in my experience, I really didn't want to go there,but...) in this country are completely obssessed with large breast and so are women-hence, the large rate of breast enlargement surgeries.

Diane J Standiford said...

Ok, I haven't worn a bra in over 10 years. No man has attacked me yet.
In other countries women lay naked on beaches and they don't get attacked. It is not just men, it is an American thang. The more men get used to seeing boobs in their natural state, the less of a novelty they are. Nudist colonies--hello, it IS possible. I have yet to see a man jerk off or attack a nude work of art at a museum. Please, we women can't let men off the hook(no pun intended) that easily. Be our own woman. (I AM from the burn-your-bra generation.) If a guy digs your big boobs he better show respect or all he will ever get is a look.

Afrodite said...

As a member of the D-club, I feel your pain. Excuse my French, I don't give a fuck. I'll rock a tank/halter in the summer. It's too hot for all that!

On the other hand, it does get a little annoying having to shop according to your breasts.

For example, I refuse to wear a V-neck.

La ~ msviswan said...

I have a big booty and to add more injury, I have boobs (DD live in color, even though they may not look that big to some people). The thing is, I never had much breast until I had my daughter. My mother said it's my punishment for not breast feeding. I absolutely can not stand my breast (the average male don't seem to have a problem with them). My breast make me feel as if I don't have that "neat" look. Actually, I stray from wearing large tops, I rather closer fitted. Only because in large tops, the "boobs" will hide my waistline and make me look more full figured than what I really am.

Over the years I've been complaining about back and shoulder pain. I know my breast and the tight fitted bras I wear have a lot to do with it. I've also been considering a breast reduction for couple years now. I want a size A cup, but people say that's unrealistic for my height and body size. Whatever. I'm actually pissed I can't wear certain back out dresses or thin strap tops. With DD's you almost always need a bra if you don't want to appear "loose".. in more ways than one.

Grata said...

"is my question? Why are breasts sexualized, why can a woman not show her breasts, a men can walk around shirtless to no reaction, but a woman can't even wear a shirt without someone talking about her? Doesn't that seem like a double standard?"

This is an attempt to equalize the nature of the genders. We are by nature different, plain and simple. I think that what the discussion should be about. The differences in our natures and their implications.

Emeritus said...

nothing is wrong with breasts. quit tripping.

if i were a man, i would be a boob man, and i would probably stare at yours.

just saying.

ps: only you can make you feel the way you do.

Yanmommasaid said...

Chiming in from Happy-to-be-C territory here. In Europe women go topless on the beach, but they dress pretty similar to American women on the street and at work. In other words, it's still accepted that too much cleavage is a distraction and sometimes inappropriate. If you want to wear stuff that shows off your assets, do it, but realize people ARE going to look. This is why I strongly disapprove of halters and bikinis on children. Those looks are "sexy" and too grown for a reason.

Yanmommasaid said...

hbg,
I am in my thirties now and I have grown accept my large boobs; I wear sexy tops the show the off every opportunity I get, especially in the summertime...The men tends to drool and the women look me as if their disgusted but I know their just jealous.

Some of us are quire happy with what we have so be sure some of those looks are from women who are wondering why you need the attention.

Soila. said...

La ~ msviswan sd:
"...I absolutely can not stand my breast (the average male don't seem to have a problem with them). My breast make me feel as if I don't have that "neat" look..."

"...I've also been considering a breast reduction for couple years now. I want a size A cup, but people say that's unrealistic for my height and body size. Whatever. I'm actually pissed I can't wear certain back out dresses or thin strap tops..."

I am soooooo with you on those points it's like you took the words right out my mouth. I absolutely hate my C's. They disgust and annoy me to no end. I wish I was an A. I want to be an A.

Yanmommasaid said...

People, relax and enjoy what you've got. I've never liked my "big legs" but then I think of my paralyzed friend and all the veterans with legs blown off and I know I'm lucky to have two functional legs that carry me wherever I want to go. I fail at this sometimes myself, but try not to waste time wishing to be something that you are not. I guarantee you when you get older, you will look back and think you must have been crazy not to.

h sofia said...

I have a small waist, big bootie and good sized boobs. Right now I'm a 38F (pregnant) and it's difficult to find well fitting tops. Having larger proportions gets in the way of me feeling chic and sleek, but there are certainly worse problems in the world to have. I dress pretty modestly so tops with low cleavage aren't an issue for me. What makes me wince is when I see a girl who is bigger on top trying to wear shirts that are the same size as her pants. I want to say: honey, that's not the way it works. Sometimes people just can't accept their true size. We associate ill fitting, boob and ass popping clothes with hookers and the like. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

I do think breast-feeding women need to be cut some slack. We don't need to see it ALL just like we don't need to see the inside of the baby's diaper, but a flash of boob never killed anybody - no more than it's nasty for a baby's butt to be seen.

Boobs are sexualized, yes, but people just need to realize when enough is enough.

Grata said...

"If you want to wear stuff that shows off your assets, do it, but realize people ARE going to look. This is why I strongly disapprove of halters and bikinis on children. Those looks are "sexy" and too grown for a reason."


I hsve seen women dress their little girls in gogo boots aka CFM boots. I am like WTH!

Grata said...

"I am in my thirties now and I have grown accept my large boobs; I wear sexy tops the show the off every opportunity I get, especially in the summertime. I get alot of looks from men and women. The men tends to drool and the women look me as if their disgusted but I know their just jealous".

Some of those looks are out of pity. Feeling sorry for the misguided being that is sold onto their own sexiness more than anyone else.

When I see women like this I start rehersing the speech I will be giving my daughters about not cheapening their bodies

Siditty said...

A post and pics from Tracy:

Took my big sexxy self to a charity ball tonite!! Rocked the boobs, waist and arms - I was the best looking thang there!

You can wear anything you want, but you must do it with confidence! Lane Bryant, and the other big girl shops make padded and shaping bras that make even my dbl F's look great!

Have a good one!

ps - would have commented but didnt know how to link these pics! Use em if you like!

Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3

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Tracy I think you look great!!!!!!!

I find you were able to be sexy without putting the girls all out on display.

Siditty said...

Men are visual people and they had linear thinking, while we can multi-task, they can only concentrate on one thing at a time, while we have the gift of doing several things at once. If the bare chested man is thin, he would not get any reaction from women, however if he is well toned and fit, you will be surprised how much women will be googling him.

The thing is though a man thin, small, big, or buff would not be told to put their shirt back on, if I wear a tank or halter, people will treat me as if I am a whore.

I understand men are visual, but does it make me a whore because things they are visually attracted to are more noticeable on me than someone who is an A cup?
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As of right now, the world is run by men. I'm not debating whether that is right or wrong...it just is. And when push comes to shove, policies are made that favor a man's sensibilities (similarly, they favor the sensibilities of people of European descent over other ethnicities). And, as I'm sure you've noticed a time or two, we men aren't always rational.

I don't equate women with large breasts to being promiscuous but it is instinctive for men's thoughts to become sexual in nature at the sight of exposed breasts. I don't know if that should be considered right or wrong but it is natural.

This was kind of a "stream of consciousness" response so I don't know if I am making sense or not...

I definitely understand your point :) Thanks for stopping by. I wonder what society can do to treat men and women as equals. I know we are different, but there has to be a balance right?


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She was short so her breasts made her look fatter than she was...no she had no ass but even tho originally i was wgainst the operation she looked much more petite after. She could wear tops without looking...i wouldn't say slutty but her breasts did not bulged out and look out of proportion. 


Yeah I used to get that all the time. I would wear baggy clothes to hide my "girls" a lot when I was younger, and I remember once in a self defense class, where I was wearing some leggings and a more fitted shirt people being surprised I wasn't as big as I looked, they were actually able to see my legs and waist LOL. I know that a lot of times when I buy shirts I always have to buy a size or two larger, in particular with button down shirts because I always get a "button gap" in my chest area. I know as of late it has become cool to have this, but I can't roll like that.

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Think I lie? I take it y'all've seen all the news stories about women being chastised for breastfeeding in public? People think of it as being nasty....but, let that same woman walk around in a halter top....she's called a sex symbol.

Diosanegra:

I don't understand that. Breast feeding is natural. I am not saying just whip it out at the dinner table, but a woman who shows a bit of decorum and privacy should not be forced to run to a dirty restroom to feed their child. Ick. When and if I ever have kids I am going to be owning a breast pump, so I won't have that issue.

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I am in my thirties now and I have grown accept my large boobs; I wear sexy tops the show the off every opportunity I get, especially in the summertime. I get alot of looks from men and women. The men tends to drool and the women look me as if their disgusted but I know their just jealous.

HBG:

Yeah, I am learning to accept them, but I feel self conscious too, of course my husband is always on boob watch, he admits it is out of jealousy though LOL

I do think in terms of getting dirty looks or comments from women, I have gotten that without wearing a tank or something revealing. I was once told by a woman I shouldn't jog with boobs my size (mind you I was wearing a t-shirt and two sports bras underneath for support). Comments about how they will sag to my knees or they couldn't be a certain size or it would be too gross. This usually comes from the itty bitty titty committee, so I don't take much of what is said in that regard to anything more than jealousy or for the need to make themselves feel better. A case of folks trying to tear down other folks.

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Please, we women can't let men off the hook(no pun intended) that easily. Be our own woman. (I AM from the burn-your-bra generation.) If a guy digs your big boobs he better show respect or all he will ever get is a look.

Diane j standiford:

I think we let men off the hook way too easily as well. It really reeks of the mentality that a man can't control himself and a woman who dresses less than modest deserves to get raped, groped, sexually assaulted for what she is wearing. Which is kind of crazy to me, but oh well.

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As a member of the D-club, I feel your pain. Excuse my French, I don't give a fuck. I'll rock a tank/halter in the summer. It's too hot for all that!

On the other hand, it does get a little annoying having to shop according to your breasts. 

For example, I refuse to wear a V-neck.

Afrodite,

Welcome to the over the shoulder boulder holder club :) I wish to be as brave as you one day. I wear v-necks, but like baby v-necks, stuff can plunge too deep LOL

Siditty said...

I have a big booty and to add more injury, I have boobs (DD live in color, even though they may not look that big to some people). The thing is, I never had much breast until I had my daughter.

la:

We share the same burden LOL I got the booty and the boobs as well. My husband thinks it is great within the confines of the house, in the outside world he would prefer a burlap sack.

My breast make me feel as if I don't have that "neat" look. Actually, I stray from wearing large tops, I rather closer fitted. Only because in large tops, the "boobs" will hide my waistline and make me look more full figured than what I really am.

I definitely understand that. Except I don't wear fitted tops for fear someone with think it slutty. Seriously, if you show off both your boobs and booty, people want to treat you like your name is Peaches and you belong on a pole.

I'm actually pissed I can't wear certain back out dresses or thin strap tops. With DD's you almost always need a bra if you don't want to appear "loose".. in more ways than one.

I found some bras that can help with the backless look. I will check later if I can find a link for them. It was a lifesaver for a bridesmaid dress I wore a few years back.

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This is an attempt to equalize the nature of the genders. We are by nature different, plain and simple. I think that what the discussion should be about. The differences in our natures and their implications.

But are we not civilized? That is using the archaic rationale that a woman deserves to be raped if she is wearing anything remotely revealing, as it is in a man's nature not to be able to control himself sexually.

I mean can a man really not control himself? Is he nothing more than a primitive animal?

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if i were a man, i would be a boob man, and i would probably stare at yours.

just saying. 

ps: only you can make you feel the way you do.

Emeritus:

You almost made me spit out my coffee laughing!!!! You are too crazy!!!!

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This is why I strongly disapprove of halters and bikinis on children. Those looks are "sexy" and too grown for a reason.

Not that I would put a thong or bikini on a child, but hell children, in particular toddlers like to sometimes go topless (they start off dressed, but decide clothes are just too constricting), I usually think it nothing but cute, and I don't think it is grown as the child is usually wearing a diaper. If a child were to wear a bikini, would it necessarily be sexualizing them?

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Some of us are quire happy with what we have so be sure some of those looks are from women who are wondering why you need the attention.

I don't think it is necessarily attention, but it would be nice to wear styles that are in style, instead of an oversized t-shirt to appease the masses.

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I am soooooo with you on those points it's like you took the words right out my mouth. I absolutely hate my C's. They disgust and annoy me to no end. I wish I was an A. I want to be an A.

Soila:

I am sure your man is very happy with Cs

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People, relax and enjoy what you've got.

I can't or people will assume I am seeking attention or working a pole.

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What makes me wince is when I see a girl who is bigger on top trying to wear shirts that are the same size as her pants. I want to say: honey, that's not the way it works. Sometimes people just can't accept their true size. We associate ill fitting, boob and ass popping clothes with hookers and the like. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

H Sofia:

I have some clothing sets like this, I offset it by wearing tanks or t-shirts under the top and letting the top remained unzipped or unbuttoned so I can wear the set without having to look like a fool.

Casper said...

"I mean can a man really not control himself? Is he nothing more than a primitive animal?"

OOGH OOGH (Primitive Gorilla Noise)

Yanmommasaid said...

But are we not civilized? That is using the archaic rationale that a woman deserves to be raped if she is wearing anything remotely revealing, as it is in a man's nature not to be able to control himself sexually.


*sigh* Hyperbole does not help your argument. No one was saying the more endowed got-it-and-flaunt-it crew deserves to be raped or anything like that. OBVIOUSLY NOT. Just don't have it all hanging out in people's faces and be po'd about stares. I have just about 0% attraction to women, but
Salma wearing this
would cause me look a little south of her face probably more than once. I don't watch porn or live in a nudist colony so usually I am not that up close and personal with someone else's boobs so it tends to grab my attention also. And even Salma manages to put them away sometimes.
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Not that I would put a thong or bikini on a child, but hell children, in particular toddlers like to sometimes go topless (they start off dressed, but decide clothes are just too constricting)


I don't think a one year old in a diaper compares to a child of any age in a bikini (especially those triangle top ones), halter, miniskirts, etc. These designs are made to emphasize the curves of a grown woman's body and I think they are inappropriate for any child under at least 9th grade. Call me a prude but a lot of fashions for girls are way too sexualized these days. Slam! Let the kids be kids!

Yanmommasaid said...

The thing is though a man thin, small, big, or buff would not be told to put their shirt back on, if I wear a tank or halter, people will treat me as if I am a whore.

Well...I remember watching the auditions for the last season of 'I love NY' and there was shirtless a overweight guy with manboobs. They blurred his nips out.

Also, usually halter tops/strapless tops are banned in most employer dress codes no matter if you are an AA or a DDD.

Siditty said...

Just don't have it all hanging out in people's faces and be po'd about stares. I have just about 0% attraction to women, but
Salma wearing this would cause me look a little south of her face probably more than once. I don't watch porn or live in a nudist colony so usually I am not that up close and personal with someone else's boobs so it tends to grab my attention also. And even Salma manages to put them away sometimes.


I hate to break it to you, but people still stare if you even have them put away. Trust me I wear tees similar to what she is wearing and I still get the "whore" stares.

Also, usually halter tops/strapless tops are banned in most employer dress codes no matter if you are an AA or a DDD.

So it is ok for you to exergerrate your point? Seriously, no one is talking about halter tops and daisy dukes at work. I will give you a real life work example. In my first job out of college, I was in a Leadership Development program where we had to do presentations in groups. Me and another female in the group wore the same exact shirt, she was smaller in the chest area than me, and I wore the shirt with a camisole underneath to ensure no one thought I was boobalicious. In our feedback I was told my shirt (the same exact linen button down shirt) was revealing (as they could see the camisole peek from underneath the shirt), and she got no comment. I was purposely wearing a camisole so that no one could see the "butt cleavage" and bought the shirt a size larger so as not to be too form fitting in the chest area, and was still told it was inappropriate. There was no tank top or halter tops worn. I don't wear such things in the work place, and I don't think most people in a professional work environment would, but since my boobs are more noticeable than others, obviously I was an attention whore trying to make people look at my boobs right?

Thankfully in that situation, the VP of our division actually called out the person who said that, and basically asked them why the same shirt on one person was inappropriate on another, and they couldn't answer when put on the spot. They had to retract what they said. They said they wanted to show positive and negative points about our presentations and that was my negative. They couldn't find anything else for me to improve on I guess, even though I pointed out several things in my head I could have worked on.

Yanmommasaid said...

So it is ok for you to exergerrate your point? Seriously, no one is talking about halter tops and daisy dukes at work.

No, but how was I exaggerating? The bigger busted women were complaining about not being able to wear such shirts while smaller women can. My point was that in certain situations, ALL women regardless of breast size, are viewed as being inappropriately attired. FYI not all halter tops are on par with daisy dukes. I've managed to pull them off ones that do not have peekaboo necklines at work quite often with a jacket or sweater. Like this.

but since my boobs are more noticeable than others, obviously I was an attention whore trying to make people look at my boobs right?

I guess your coworker(s) thought so, but that wasn't related to anything I said. Please note that my prior comments about people wanting attention was directed at someone who specifically said she dressed to "show off". If you describe yourself as showing off, I think it is a correct interpretation to say you are seeking attention.

hate to break it to you, but people still stare if you even have them put away. Trust me I wear tees similar to what she is wearing and I still get the "whore" stares.

Thanks for the FYI. I would not have guessed since your post and all the comments specifically referenced tanks and halter tops as being verboten throughout.

redcatbiker said...

Because I've got big boobs (thank god they are not the matronly kind!) and have to spend about $75.00 to get a good looking bra that fits [somewhat] well, and always they have those bloody underwires in them, which are always too deep, so they poke into my underarms...well, anyway, I just got tired of having to pay sooooo much money for an almost good fit; therefore, I decided to learn how to sew my own. (If my girls were perky, I would not wear a bra at all! But, alas they are not, and I feel very uncomfortable--physically, that is--when the girls ain't hoisted up.)

Here is a link to a site that has a good instruction manual on making bras:

http://www.bramakersmanual.com/GalleryPhotos/index.html -- If you click on the photo on the left, it will show you the bra in the center of the screen. As you will see, when you sew your own (or have someone else do it for you), you get a bra that fits you; as well, you are not limited to the standard colours offered in the bra shoppe. And you are not limited to the man-made fibres that the majority of bras are made out of...aaaaah, silk feels so nice on the boobies. Also, if you don't like underwires, you can make bras that support your breasts well without underwires. And, when you make your own, you will find out that you can adjust underwires to fit you perfectly, wherein you might not hate them anymore.

Here is a bramaking blog that is chock-full of information:
http://www.bra-makers.blogspot.com/

redcatbiker said...

Sorry, but the make your own bras link that I posted [above] is defective. This one will take you there, if you are interested in seeing bras that you can make yourself:

http://www.bramakersmanual.com/GalleryPhotos