

As many of you are aware, I have reverted back to becoming a vegetarian over the last few months. I am also an animal lover, as I own two dogs, and one cat, which results in a large investment in Febreeze, Oxyclean, lint brushes, vacuums, and Purina. People often as me if I am one of those animal right "PETA people" I can honestly say no, I don't support PETA. I fit the profile of a typical person that would join PETA, I love animals, I don't eat meat? Why not a member of PETA?
To be honest, my first foray into the vegetarian lifestyle back in my teens, I was a member of PETA. I bought the books, attempted to picket in front of Bloomingdales in protest of fur sales (my momma nipped that in the bud with a quickness), I was attending meetings with an animal rights group here in Dallas. I was going to save all the animals. Of course this was high school, and I was a bit dramatic, and I have since become more apathetic towards saving the whole entire world.
Don't get me wrong, I still try to do my part. All of my animals are neutered and spayed. None of my animals came from breeders, but rather a rescue. I don't trust many breeders, as there are many "backyard" breeders out there, that don't do enough responsible breeding (they allow inbreeding, encourage breeding of recessive genes for cuteness), and frankly it is much cheaper to get a "full breed" from a rescue than a breeder. I am nerdy and concerned enough to research this. I don't believe in declawing cats, docking tails, or clipping ears (even though my doberman came with a docked tail, notice his ears are floppy and my cat came declawed). I consider those things kind of cruel, even though I can understand cat declawing to an extent when I see my cat with her clawless paws "scratching" against a couch, a wall, or my legs.
So what about PETA scares me?
The Scientology, cult like aspect of it's leaders and followers. We got the celebrity angle, lots of celebrities support PETA. In matter of fact, they use that spin to attract new members. Be like Pamela Anderson and Joaquin Phoenix, they don't eat meat, and they love animal liberation!!!!! They are intense in spreading the word, like evangelists. If you join, you are encouraged to drop off pamphlets, inform people about the error of their ways in eating meat.
Another thing that scares me, the intensity of some of their members in their quest for animal liberation.
My husband is still eating steak, and he has no plans to stop. I don't plan on stopping him. Per some members I am a traitor, and I should divorce my husband on the grounds of meat eating. I can't do that. He supports my vegetarianism, I support his meat eating. I still cook for my husband, meat and all. I just don't cook meat for myself. My only concern with my husband is how we are going to raise the kids? Vegetarian or not? He thinks it is cruel, but I don't. I think it is more cruel to raise your kids on McDonalds and other fast food, but that is how he was raised, so he is defensive about it.
Another thing that bothers me is the intensity level people take their definition of vegetarianism. It is no longer considered to be vegetarian if you partake in milk and eggs, vegan is the only true vegetarian now. Pescatarians, better step off, you might as well be eating cow. Instead of taking a positive spin and getting excited people have decided to omit red meat, red meat and chicken, or meat all together, just milk and eggs, these people are still lumped in with the general population as killers.
I know vegetarians who have attempted to make their dogs and cats vegetarians. Incidentally both animals, although now domesticated in the wild would get most their nutrition from meat, they are avid hunters in the wild. It is safe to make a dog vegetarian, even though I don't do that to my dogs, and it is an absolute no no for cats. I think making my dogs, who would naturally be eating meat in the wild, into vegetarians is kind of mean.
PETA's politics are questionable to me.
You want people to be cruelty free, but you euthanize animals. They want investigations into a horse's death, but they themselves kills hundreds, if not thousands of animals on a regular basis, with questionable methods of euthanizing animals. They think companion animals should be freed, but yet they purposely take animals from shelters and rescues (in particular, no kill shelters) for the purpose of killing them. If PETA attacks restaurants and other companies for their cruel ways, why are they being cruel themselves.
They encourage and support breed specific legislation. If you don't know I own a doberman, and pitt mix. I would be devastated if I was told I would have to euthanize either of my animals because they were considered dangerous, not due to past actions of themselves, but because of their breed. I am obviously against this, and I will say I was never a fan of pitt bulls prior to me owning one. I do think there should be mandatory owner training and education on bully breed dogs, so that people can understand the seriousness of the responsibility associated with these dogs. Statistically speaking pitt bulls don't attack people more than many other breeds of dogs, but because of their strength, when they do attack, it is much more severe and damaging. A pitt can kill you and severely disfigure you, a chihuahua can only try to. I can't support an organization that would try to take my dogs from me. In the past before pitts, dobermans, rottweilers, and german shepherds received bad raps as well. I have a feeling the next dog to get the wrath is the Mastiff. As like pitt bulls they were crated for fighting, but unlike pitt bulls, who were made for fighting and killing other animals, mastiffs were initially bred for battle with humans and animals, they are one of the oldest breeds out there. I digress.
Just FYI before people get it twisted, I would be dead if someone came into my house and broke in. The pitt would lie on her back and pee herself out of fear, and the doberman would stay asleep, the only time he would awake is if he felt his food was in trouble.
They give money to the Animal Liberation Front and the North American Earth Liberation Front. These are basically terrorist groups. They bomb things, they break into buildings. They take a good cause too far.
PETA in my opinion is not a good organization for people who love animals. I understand their theory, but they take things too far, and in my opinion are very hypocritical. The money they use to secure celebrities could go to creating animal sanctuaries and rescues. It seems they are more about trying to spread an agenda than actually resolving the issue they are supposedly fighting for.
38 comments:
Good post, I question PETA's actions...you give me more to think about.
Regardless of the group, it always seems that you'll have your extremists that being said I'm not a fan of PETA some of the actions done by some of their most "passionate supporters" tend to be overlooked by those in the top positions. I think they should call them out.
I've always thought if you want to donate to animals check out your local rescues or animal shelters, check out the place then donate money or your time. I've done both. I can support my local groups because their messages does is not attacking others to make themselves look better. When you do that it usually makes you look worse.
I'm Vegan, but you definitely can be non-veggie and be health and compassionate.
Opal @ Vegan Momma
After reading your post PETA seems to be a bit of an oxymoron especially if they support breed legislation. I've owned several rottweilers and pit bulls and they were the most docile dogs I had..but then on the other hand I had a very mean 6 lb pomeranian...go figure.
Eat vegtables but kill a helpless dog...
Doesn't make sense to me.
I never was really a fan of PETA- their sexist advertising is a total turn off. Animal Liberation Front does intrigue me a bit, even though they'd kill me b/c I still eat poultry and seafood and use animal products. I agree that the less meat you eat the better, but I think people eating chicken and fish and calling themselves any kind of vegetarian is bull. Vegetarian means you do NOT eat dead animals!!! HUGE pet peeve right there.
As for your husband's beliefs about it being cruel to have not feed children meat:
1. Just because his parents raised him a certain way doesn't make it right.
2.Most children love animals and are fed meat before they understand that meat is the flesh of slaughtered animals. When I was a child I thought hamburgers grew in the ground or something and I felt shocked and betrayed when I found out the truth. I'd wait til my kids were old enough to understand the concept and then let them decide for themselves if they wanted to eat meat or not.
And now I want to go throw up the chicken I just ate. Dammit, I'm gonna have to stop reading/writing/thinking about food or I'm going to be an anorexic for real. Maybe I won't buy any more meat after I run out of what I have in the fridge. I really do not LOVE vegetables so I may end up anorexic for real. How am I gonna live without tuna?
i dont like the PETA either but they have done good things a looong long time ago when animals were treated badly. But sorry in my opinion vegetarianism does not make sense...sorry
I'm glad to hear that, Siddity. Most vegetarians I've know aren't pushy;
being confronted by a recovered-meat eater is like having a smoker diss you when you're minding your own business and light up a cigarette at the park... seated away from others.
Wonderful post.
this is SO EDUCATIONAL...I didn't realize that PETA had such conflicting policies.
PETA are for very wealthy people and the celebs, that advert, I would rather be naked than wear fur. Maybe they should do that advert in...Serbia in winter. People have been eating meat for thousands of years, all things should be in moderation. Do not divorce your husband, because he eats meat. Your children can have a healthy balance of chicken, fish and lots and lots of vegetables, when they get older then they may decide to be vegetarian. If it isn't broke, don't fix it.
Your first picture reminds me of a japanese cartoon here, that my daughter watches sometimes.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7718833933290862394&q=N.Y.Salad&ei=f7lVSINbhtrCA_HhtZkK&hl=en
"The give money to the Animal Liberation Front and the North American Earth Liberation Front. These are basically terrorist groups."
Terrorist groups? They don't kill people. They don't blow themselves up in an attempt to kill others. Who do they terrorize? Who lives their life in fear of ELF or ALF? Anyone?
No.
Per the FBI, the ALF is a terrorist group. I cannot advocate vandalism, arson, and bombings as a method of spreading a message. Maybe you can?
Wow so it's like that. That was very informative, thanks for sharing.
How do they choose who attack? Because they confronted Beyonce for example. And JLo I think. Mary J should logically be one of their first targets with her fur coats. But is it because she warned them? She was being interviewed and asked about PETA and Mary said "Those PETA people don't want to mess with me". I like animals but I laughed so hard when I read this. Mary is NOT the one to play with LOL!
PETA has always seem a bit suspect. Follow their logic and you should be flogged for having a pet.
I've only met one or two vegans/vegetarians; both looked REAL hungry.
I have to say the photo of the woman in the meat package is superb though.
Not to mention they're sexist as all hell. What are the odds that they have an ad like the 2nd one featuring a naked dude?
I was a vegatarian about 6 years ago and have flirted with it again every so often. I've never seen myself as a PETA person thought.
Texasladybird,
I've only met one or two vegans/vegetarians; both looked REAL hungry.
It's quite easy to be a vegetarian and be fat.I'd still have plenty of fatty carb-filled treats to eat like ice cream, candy, fries, etc. Veganism is waaaay more restrictive. I don't think anyone could manage to be a fat vegan.
BTW, did anyone hear how Oprah was going vegan for 21 days?“How can you say you’re trying to spiritually evolve, without even a thought about what happens to the animals whose lives are sacrificed in the name of gluttony?” she wrote.
I wonder if she stuck with it after the 21 days were over.
Tenacious Bree,
Not to mention they're sexist as all hell. What are the odds that they have an ad like the 2nd one featuring a naked dude?
Exactly! In all the years of their public protests in cages and print ads I have not once seen a naked or scantily clad man.
Diane:
I love the thought of being compassionate about animals, but PETA to me takes things to far. They once compared chickens being slaughtered to lynchings of black people. They have a need to have very sexist ads. I don't fully understand them at all. There are other groups out there that take a more sensible approach, but they don't get the celebrity endorsements that PETA does, so we don't know about them.
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I've always thought if you want to donate to animals check out your local rescues or animal shelters, check out the place then donate money or your time. I've done both. I can support my local groups because their messages does is not attacking others to make themselves look better. When you do that it usually makes you look worse.
Opal,
I completely agree, research your local groups. You can at least see where your money goes. I actively give to my doberman's rescue group, and I can see the difference my money is making there.
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After reading your post PETA seems to be a bit of an oxymoron especially if they support breed legislation. I've owned several rottweilers and pit bulls and they were the most docile dogs I had..but then on the other hand I had a very mean 6 lb pomeranian...go figure.
Eat vegtables but kill a helpless dog...
Doesn't make sense to me.
Me either. I definitely see some contradictions in their message.
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I never was really a fan of PETA- their sexist advertising is a total turn off. Animal Liberation Front does intrigue me a bit, even though they'd kill me b/c I still eat poultry and seafood and use animal products. I agree that the less meat you eat the better, but I think people eating chicken and fish and calling themselves any kind of vegetarian is bull.
I don't get the pescatarian thing either, but if someone is willing to cut back, it should be celebrated. But the same could be said of a lacto-ovo vegetarian. Some would say eating eggs is eating chicken abortions. People have issues with milk, as we are the only species that drinks the milk of another animal. I say take it a step at a time LOL
In terms of the husband, he really just doesn't understand things at all. His mother has warped him nutritionally.
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i dont like the PETA either but they have done good things a looong long time ago when animals were treated badly. But sorry in my opinion vegetarianism does not make sense...sorry
I am a vegetarian because to me it doesn't make sense to eat meat. Health wise, I eat better as a vegetarian than when I eat meat. Fast food for the most part is completely eliminated. Ice cream is another story.
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being confronted by a recovered-meat eater is like having a smoker diss you when you're minding your own business and light up a cigarette at the park... seated away from others.
KIT,
I know the feeling. I think it is because the vegans do it to vegetarians, so the vegetarians have to let off steam.
I remember in high school, I had a friend come over to my house who was also a vegetarian. She was disgusted that my mother had mad meat loaf for the family. I am 16, I was not about to talk to my mother about what she was going to eat, she would have looked at me crazy while eating that meat loaf and then beat me later for trying to tell her what to do LOL
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Casper,
How is that carnivoratatian diet going?
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How do they choose who attack? Because they confronted Beyonce for example. And JLo I think. Mary J should logically be one of their first targets with her fur coats. But is it because she warned them? She was being interviewed and asked about PETA and Mary said "Those PETA people don't want to mess with me". I like animals but I laughed so hard when I read this. Mary is NOT the one to play with LOL!
Lola:
I think they approach every star. If you say yes you support them, they throw you on some propaganda. If you say no, you end up on their hit list LOL A lot of the stars they use, aren't really even vegetarians. Bjork used to support PETA, but she still eats meat.
I think Mary told them she would go Suge Knight on them, so they knew to leave her alone LOL
PETA has always seem a bit suspect. Follow their logic and you should be flogged for having a pet.
I've only met one or two vegans/vegetarians; both looked REAL hungry.
Texasladybird:
I've seen some plump vegetarians and vegans. They make fake everything. The other day, I will admit I chowed down on some fake chorizo. I also have eaten fake chicken nuggets, fake cheese, and of course soy milk (I am getting scared of soy milk though from my reading everything on the internet). The other day I posted a recipe on the other blog in which the recipe called for soy crumbles, it was fake ground beef LOL.
You can chow down as a vegan and vegetarian. I knew a woman over 300 pounds who said she was a vegetarain. I believe her too. The only way to eat anything out of house and home is to leave processed and refined foods alone and go raw. I want to do that, but I am too scared. I tip toe over to the raw side, I like butter still LOL
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I have to say the photo of the woman in the meat package is superb though.
I liked the photo too, and it is one of the rare PETA photos where it is not focused on a half naked woman looking sexy. I almost posted this photo though.
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Not to mention they're sexist as all hell. What are the odds that they have an ad like the 2nd one featuring a naked dude?
Zero to none.
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Yan:
They got french fries for the vegans at Burger King and Carl's Jr.Not to mention onion rings. There is Soy dream ice cream and sorbet. You can also eat at Taco Bell if you work it just right LOL Trust me I have seen some fat vegans LOL
It is more of a junkatarian type lifestyle, but still cruelty free.
Here is a list of some vegan options at a lot of different restaurants.
Exactly! In all the years of their public protests in cages and print ads I have not once seen a naked or scantily clad man.
Why? Becuase who wants to see a naked man? Not men and usually not women either, unless he's really buff and not many men are. Men on the other hand will want to see a naked woman even if she is not atractive.
Why? Becuase who wants to see a naked man? Not men and usually not women either, unless he's really buff and not many men are. Men on the other hand will want to see a naked woman even if she is not atractive.
As long as she is naked, pretty or not, it is easy to get distracted. I had known that, I would have walked around naked and out of shape a long time ago. LOL
Look I found this over here. It's PETA's State of the Union Undress
NOT SAFE FOR WORK.
I will also like to note, my primary reason for becoming a vegetarian is due to health reasons. I love animals as well, but I will not douse you in red paint if I see you wearing leather or fur.
Great video, beats the hell out of any real state of the union i've seen!
You know me, eating two to three hundred grams of raw fish and a dozen eggs a day. I manage to get in a few veggies, mostly carrots, cabbage, and garlic. I also eat a bunch of bananas.
I kinda share the same sentiments as Mary J Blige. Peta don't mess with me. As far as I am concerned Peta won't be happy until dolphins have the right to vote.
Great video, beats the hell out of any real state of the union i've seen!
LOL @ C1. I figured the guys would love that, I am sure you quit watching as soon as the animal footage came into play LOL
Her body was shaped weird though, but I am sure you didn't notice LOL
Her body was shaped weird though, but I am sure you didn't notice LOL
Once again, naked women= men watching, even if she's not that hot.
Really, I am going to try to keep my comment short, because I don't want to get all evangelical on you, but we human animals were meant to eat animals (both land and sea) and/or animal products.
I was a vegetarian, then transitioned to a vegan diet. I ate this way for about two years, with one-and-a-half of it being a vegan. Vegetarian is okay, but a vegan diet may be detrimental to your health. Specifically, with Americans who eat a vegan diet, there is a tendency to add too many unfermented soy products to one's diet: tofu, soy milk, soy ice creams, soy this-and-that. Unfermented soy foods are not good for you.
A vegan diet is just as bad as what has become the standard American diet of: white foods; processed foods; very few of the same vegetables; animals that have been raised in confinement and on grains.
So that I shalln't get evangelical, here is some information for you:
“Real Food” by Nina Planck
“The Omnivore's Dilemma” by Michael Pollan
www.westonaprice.org
“The Whole Soy Story”
www.ninaplanck.com
www.thehealthyskeptic.org
“Eat Fat to Lose Fat” by Fallon and Enig
Yan:
For the two people I met it wasn't as much as a weight issue. Both looked alright, but they just seemed real washed out and kinda..well..hungry.
I think that could be attributed to them being vegan/vegitarians because it seemed like the "it" thing to do rather than a true lifestyle choice.
C1,
who wants to see a naked man? Not men...
Straight women and gay men. Women are not still talking about 300 b/c of the action or great dialogue! I'm sure PETA could find some beefy non-beef-eating men.
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Siditty,
I saw you added the Farm Sanctuary to your list. I went to the one in NY years ago. I arranged a trip for my HeadStart families. That's when I stopped eating beef and then pork the next year. That was supposed to be followed by chicken and seafood in the years after that, but it kinda didn't work out.
I was a vegetarian for years, but started eating meat again 5 years ago. I have never liked PETA. In the beginning, the ideal was great and they did great things in helping animals and educating people about animal abuse and promoting vegetarianism. Now that ad is ridiculous. One of the things that "made" me vegetarian was reading "The Sexual Politics of Meat" by Carol Adams. Basically she discusses how women are seen as "meat" and how it is realted to patriachy. She also makes other assertions in regards to meat eating, but I didn't buy into everything she said, however it got me to thinking...along with other things I was reading and seeing at the time.
Anyway, PETA is ridculous! T&A sells, but I really don't think it will "sell" vegetarianism. It is going against everything discussed in the book by Adams, but I think the powers at PETA do not do any critical thinking.
"But is it because she warned them? She was being interviewed and asked about PETA and Mary said "Those PETA people don't want to mess with me". I like animals but I laughed so hard when I read this. Mary is NOT the one to play with LOL!"
I'll bet they're not even thinking about touching Puffy.
"Straight women and gay men. Women are not still talking about 300 b/c of the action or great dialogue!"
300! Now there was a lot of talent in that film. those actors were just blessed.
Straight women and gay men. Women are not still talking about 300 b/c of the action or great dialogue! I'm sure PETA could find some beefy non-beef-eating men.
I would say just gay men, hell the only reason Playgirl still exists is becuase the majority of their readership are men. It seems men are just more interested in looking at naked women (or men) than vica versa.
I, too, get sick of the-
"So, you're a vegetarian? Do you eat chicken?"
"Yeah, but only the ones I grow in my garden."
but we human animals were meant to eat animals (both land and sea) and/or animal products. I was a vegetarian, then transitioned to a vegan diet. I ate this way for about two years, with one-and-a-half of it being a vegan. Vegetarian is okay, but a vegan diet may be detrimental to your health. Specifically, with Americans who eat a vegan diet, there is a tendency to add too many unfermented soy products to one's diet: tofu, soy milk, soy ice creams, soy this-and-that. Unfermented soy foods are not good for you.
I am going to vehemently disagree. I agree that soy can be bad for you, if you go overboard, but you can be vegan and healthy. I would venture to say a vegan, even a junkatarian is eating a bit more healthier than the average meat eater. You can have a balanced diet and stay vegan or vegetarian. For every book you have on the dangers of vegetarianism, there are books that advocate it.
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I saw you added the Farm Sanctuary to your list. I went to the one in NY years ago. I arranged a trip for my HeadStart families. That's when I stopped eating beef and then pork the next year. That was supposed to be followed by chicken and seafood in the years after that, but it kinda didn't work out.
Yeah I think they are a wonderful organization and fit to replace PETA as the forefront animal organization. I can actually see where their money goes.
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Purple moonflower:
I have always wanted to read the carol adams book, I need to make a trip to the library.
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I, too, get sick of the- "So, you're a vegetarian? Do you eat chicken?" "Yeah, but only the ones I grow in my garden."
LOL fairlane,
I get asked that a lot too, they ask if I still eat fish and chicken....uuhhhmmm NO!!!
But the same could be said of a lacto-ovo vegetarian. Some would say eating eggs is eating chicken abortions.
They would have to have a rather poor understanding of biology to say that since we do not eat fertilized eggs. We are not eating embryos so the abortion analogy fails.That's like saying every menses is a miscarriage.
Great post Siditty. The one thing about PETA as well is their obvious preference towards whiteness, it's a bastion of white privilege as well as bad practices (as you have mentioned).
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