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Although blacks are 12% of the population blacks commit 50% of the murders and a greater percentage of other crimes. Consider: black females - 6%. Blacks from zero yrs. to 12 yrs. and black males from 50-100 years commit an infinitesimal percentage of the crimes. Therefore we are left with two percent. If we eliminate crimes committed by this two percent from the U.S. statistics our country compares very favorably with all Western countries. Fact -- blacks kill 7 times more than whites kill. Fact -- blacks kill whites 20 times more than whites kill blacks. Fact -- blacks mug or commit group crime against whites 50 times more than whites commit against blacks. Fact -- blacks rape white women 2000 (yes 2000) times more than whites rape black women. In New York City, about 300 white women are raped by blacks every year BUT there has not been a black woman raped by a white male in anybody’s memory (going back over 20 yrs.) Consider: Al Sharpton had to go upstate New York to find a hoax and that was almost 20 years ago. (Source NYT 4/22/05)
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics 2004 report (released May 2006), blacks commit 54 percent of the homicides in America even though they constitute only 12 percent of the population.
An individual black male is seven times more likely to commit murder than an individual white male. It so happens that black felons commit 43 percent of aggravated assaults, 66 percent of armed robberies, 27 percent of rapes and 85 percent of interracial crimes of violence, mainly against whites (this last figure from a Justice Department report 2003). However, it's not just in the United States. The greatest dicators in recent years have emerged in Africa. People like Idi Amin of Uganda, Hastings Kamuzu Banda in Malawi, Mobutu Sese Seko, in Zaire, self-anointed Emperor Bokassa of the Central African Republic, Mohammed Saidi Barre in Somalia, Sani Abacha of Nigeria, Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe -- the list is endless.
Blacks are dumber as well, statistics analyzed by the New York Times (July 4, 1999) dispel the poverty argument by establishing that impoverished white children whose parents earn less than $10,000 a year score higher on standardized SAT tests than black children whose parents earn more than $70,000 a year. Also, nearly 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock.
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date Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:29 AM
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Well aren't you smart, you are good at twisting statistics. Where did you get them, from Stormwatch?
For all those crime stats did you ever stop to think that black people have more access to white people than white people to blacks? Think about it, your "people" have the option to have limited contact with blacks, as they are greater in numbers in this country compared to blacks. Blacks have to interact with white people, even if they live in an all black neighborhood they are more than likely to have white law enforcement, white bosses and coworkers, white teachers, etc. They have more access to whites, and since whites typically make more than black people, white people for those who commit crime make easier targets than blacks. Did you ever stop to think about that?
We make up less than 12% of the population, white people make up 74% of the population. So white people have to actively seek out black people to commit crimes against, black people don't. Your lack of common sense astounds me.
In terms of white and black rape. You do realize white men have been raping black women for centuries in this country. The reason we had miscegenation laws were because of the prevalence of white men impregnating black women, not the other way around, only until the mid to late 1800's was there a fear of black men raping white women. Why is that?
In terms of why black men are able to rape white women in greater numbers than white men to black women, again it is access, greater numbers of whites than blacks. If you want a recent case of white men and white women raping a black woman, please research the Megan Williams case. She was raped and tortured for days on end, and not one single assailant was black, imagine that.
In terms of dictators have you never heard of Mussolini, Hitler, Francisco Franco, Josip Broz Tito, Saparmyrat Niyazov, or Augusto Pinochet? Hint, they were not black. However did you ever stop think of all these African dictators you have posted that they ran countries in a state of disarray after years of oppression and dogmatic rule by European countries? These dictators based their rule on what they knew, and it was the European occupancy that preceded them. Did you ever stop to think of that?
In terms of the IQ gap and being "dumber", explain to me why blacks in the early years of their educaton, grade school, score on par with their white counterparts? It is only in high school where you see the difference. Could it be the glaring discrepancies in between the resources and the experiences of teachers in predominantly black schools vs. white schools? Your IQ is affected by your environment. Me and my brother went to "white schools" that had way more resources and more seasoned teachers. Inner city blacks don't have that opportunity, and I graduated in the top 10% of my high school class. Also you might want to research a study done in the 1970s called the Chitlin Test. Black students overwhelmingly outscored whites in this test. IQ is still being debated on whether it is genetic or due to environment or both. If it is environmental that explains the discrepancies.
I wasn't born out of wedlock, neither was my mother, my father, my brother. I know more fatherless white children than black children, of course I also know more white people as the numbers tend to show you are a larger portion of the population.
In all these stats you spewed, can you tell me the sample size given? You are quoting a newspaper and not a journal for the majority of your stats. The only legitimate stats you could have given came from the DOJ, which how do I know you actually looked up versus receiving them from some of your racist buddies?
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You gotta love idiots. *SMH*
Here's my message to JoVent:
No one has raped and murdered men, women, and children than white men.
The first chapter of Howard Zinn's famous current book, The People's History, 1492 to the Present, described well what Christopher Columbus did to the Arawak Indians when he reached the New World.
They raped, forced into hard labor to find gold, and finally committed genocide on three to eight million Arawaks. The only ones left alive several decades after Columbus landed were the few that survived the slave ships sent to Spain.
This history came from Christopher Columbus' own log.
Other whites followed suit, leaving rape, murder and genocide throughout North, Central, and South America.
Several years ago the photos and testimonies from the Abu Ghraib scandal revealed that our white American soldiers routinely tortured, anally raped, sodomized, castrated, and murdered Iraqi male prisoners. Over 90% of these prisoners were innocent men rounded up.
Interviews of older Iraqi men said there are no younger males from their teens to middle age left alive in many villages. McCain's plan to stay over there for the next 100 years will destroy the majority of the Iraqi population.
They are currently planning to nuke Iran, and have no problem with instantly murdering Tehran, a modern city with a population of 7,000,000 people. They will do this Hiroshima style, and won't lose any sleep over it.
They will use lies fed to them by Israel, another group of white people who have been ear-marked to be the overseers of the brown-skinned people of the Middle East which they plan to transform into one big plantation. They don't rob purses or burglarize homes. No, they steal entire countries and the resources, and kill kill kill anyone who gets in their way.
The statistics Jo Vent presented, by the way, are lies.
The information about IQ is also irrelevant, because even IF we assume that whites were smarter, so what? What has it gotten them? Bombs to destroy the lives of other human beings and pollution so great that the planet is on the verge of extinction.
They may be "intelligent" in their academic pursuits, but en masse, they lack wisdom and compassion, over and over and over again, in their greed and quest for comfort at the expense of the rest of humanity.
I won't leave my blogger identity, Siddity, but I'm sure you know who I am. I simply don't this destructive, race-baiting provocateur visiting my blog. He or she won't be persuaded for one minute by any of the information I have provided or take the time to read a different view of history. He or she is not looking for insight nor want a lighted candle to guide them out of their darkness.
This is because he or she is consumed with the curse of his or race: genocidal tendencies and a selfishness so deep that even God can't penetrate it.
Okay, Siddity :-) I so love you right now !! If i got an email like that i would probably shout and scream at the computer and either delete the email or reply with something much less eloquent and thought out!!! Basically you had a very strong comeback.
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You said: In terms of dictators have you never heard of Mussolini, Hitler, Francisco Franco, Josip Broz Tito, Saparmyrat Niyazov, or Augusto Pinochet? Hint, they were not black.
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That is sooo cool :-)And so is the rest of it !!
When James Watson came out with that statement of africans being genetically dumber. I pissed off for days ! This is why i hate statistics they fail to take a lot of things into account. I did a stats module at uni and even the lecturer said that they can be reallly inacurrate ! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
The IQ Argument:
When i taught at a village school in Zambia i was amazed how quickly the young children were at mental arithmatic and how they picked up on how to do things really easily ! In comparison to the students i taught here !! Calculators and all those things count as resources even though they numb a childs mind because they have much more time to develop and learn other skills.
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This is because he or she is consumed with the curse of his or race: genocidal tendencies and a selfishness so deep that even God can't penetrate it.
Now you sound like this guy. if there is no basis for his beliefs that whites are smarter and less violent, due to genetics I'm guessing, than why would whites be more
prone to genocide? Genetics?
Why do bigots love black blogs so much?
LOL if they hate us then they should leave us alone. Duh.
Classical One asked Why would whites be more prone to genocide than other races?
I didn't say whites were more prone to it, although their extensive history and current events suggest this. I said Jovent is cursed with genocidal tendencies and selfishness so deep that even God can't penetrate it.
Jovent is merely one of many who hates people of color and would like to see us exterminated.
And Classical One, if you have the nerve, pick up that book at the library. The author, Howard Zinn, is a well-known white historian. You'll learn the side of history that is glossed over or omitted in school. He backs up every single thing with the original, historical documents.
Go ahead. I dare you. I dare you to have the courage to learn the truth, and this goes doubly for Jovent.
This shit is sickening. He clearly has an inferiority complex towards black people, probably small dick or unatheletic. The reason he writes this shit is because he's hoping some black person will agree with him so he can feel valadated. Its really pathetic when people are sick like this. You handled this really well, I probably would have asked for an address and contemplated going in charles bronson style, just to see him shit his pants. Again its people like that is the reason why I only have 3 wm for friends. Its funny because I think their cool, then all of a sudden when its just me and them, they say some racist shit. Its not blatantly racist, but you can somewhat tell what their thinking. I bet he would never this shit to a black person in real life, that's why he comes on the internet like a bitch. Its funny that someone mentioned war here, he talks about all the dictators, but do you know who benefits the most from war, the elite wm class in this country that funds both sides. Did anybody here know that bush's grandfather was the director of a company in newyork that laundered money for hitler during WWII, and profited like kings until they were stop, I wonder why he likes war so much. I wonder why they were mad Jimmy Carter for talking to hesbola (sp), just a little food for your thought. Oh and Obama really needs to win ASAP.
JDR
Obama really needs to win ASAP
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AMEN to that !
Actual statistics:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus/current/cv0542.pdf
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
They don't support his assertions, though: "In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites."
Of course: "In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites" as well.
I would argue, though I'm having a bitch of a time finding any statistics on this at all, that this has more to do with poverty (and the brilliant notion that was the war on drugs, thank you Nixon) than race.
Now, because I can't seem to resist, I have to respond to this:
"They are currently planning to nuke Iran, and have no problem with instantly murdering Tehran, a modern city with a population of 7,000,000 people. They will do this Hiroshima style, and won't lose any sleep over it."
Any proof to back this insanity up? Why would they nuke Tehran (a city of 7.7 or 13.4 million people, depending on whether you're talking urban or metro Tehran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran)? Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was about ending a war, not starting one. Invading Japan would have been a disaster, invading Iran would be easy. Occupying Iran would be impossible, but they're two different things.
"They will use lies fed to them by Israel, another group of white people [really depends on your definition of white] who have been ear-marked to be the overseers of the brown-skinned people of the Middle East [uh...no, if you look at the original plan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan#Proposed_division the split in the British Mandate of Palestine was supposed to %56 to %43 which went out the window, when the surrounding 'brown-skinned people' invaded. That didn't work out so well for anyone involved] which they plan to transform into one big plantation [that's just crazy]. They don't rob purses or burglarize homes. No, they steal entire countries and the resources, and kill kill kill anyone who gets in their way [thank you for that delightful piece of racism]."
Now, back to the other crazy person..."Males were almost 10 times more likely than females to commit murder in 2005." (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/gender.htm) so, really if we're going to generalize, than men should be the target a hell of a lot more than blacks.
Statistics are fun. I'm reminded of two quotes:
"He uses statistics as a drunkard uses a lamppost, for support, not for illumination."
Chesterton
"A statistician carefully assembles facts and figures for others who carefully misinterpret them."
I didn't say whites were more prone to it, although their extensive history and current events suggest this. I said Jovent is cursed with genocidal tendencies and selfishness so deep that even God can't penetrate it.
So what is this "This is because he or she is consumed with the curse of his or race."
Sounds like your talking about more than just Jovent to me.
I don't need to pick up Howard Zinn because of i've already read him. I agree with some of his points, but he's a Marxist and Marxism is totally discredited. I'm not sure how you go about fighting sterotypes against your people by sterotyping others, but whatever.
I think Jovent and his ilk corner the market on hubris. Is this genetic by any chance.
What a total load of crap! I wish I got emails like this, I love a good break-down of poor factual presentation.
By the way, I work for the company that makes the SATS and this...
"Blacks are dumber as well, statistics analyzed by the New York Times (July 4, 1999) dispel the poverty argument by establishing that impoverished white children whose parents earn less than $10,000 a year score higher on standardized SAT tests than black children whose parents earn more than $70,000 a year."
...is also faulty. IQ and SAT performance are far from being the same thing. IQ is amorphous and has nothing to do with reading, writing or math. The SATs test certain skills, all of which can be learned, and only serves to predict performance in college. The test is given with the disclaimer that the scores for certain groups should be held to a different scale standard - not because black people are intrinsically dumber and not even because of the lack of resources, but because on a basic linguistic level different groups analyze things slightly differently, and the standards of the test are admittedly based on a mainstream American mode of thought.
Soila,
I get a lot of idiots. This one just set me off this morning LOL
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in response to jovent:
You do bring up a good point about the genocide of Native Americans and Abu Ghraib, but at the same time I cannot say that white people in general have genocidal tendencies. I think this is more of an issue of power and the obsession to maintain that power. Most white people in this country don't have that level of power to get to that point. There is a reason it is believed that CEOs of companies are sociopaths. Not everyone can do that job.
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Okay, Siddity :-) I so love you right now !! If i got an email like that i would probably shout and scream at the computer and either delete the email or reply with something much less eloquent and thought out!!! Basically you had a very strong comeback.
Thank you :)
When James Watson came out with that statement of africans being genetically dumber. I pissed off for days ! This is why i hate statistics they fail to take a lot of things into account. I did a stats module at uni and even the lecturer said that they can be reallly inacurrate !
The media especially loves to use stats, omitting important information so that they can put a spin on a story. Since most people are too lazy to research they believe what the media tells them. It is a sad state of affairs for the media in this day and age. Controversy over actual facts reign supreme. In terms of James Watson, I was glad he got called out on his racist nonsense.
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Why do bigots love black blogs so much? LOL if they hate us then they should leave us alone. Duh.
You would think LOL
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This shit is sickening. He clearly has an inferiority complex towards black people, probably small dick or unatheletic
I think that people who think this way have unfounded fears and insecurity. This is their way to make themselves feel better.
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Statistics are fun. I'm reminded of two quotes: "He uses statistics as a drunkard uses a lamppost, for support, not for illumination." Chesterton "A statistician carefully assembles facts and figures for others who carefully misinterpret them."
Evan,
These quotes are so appropriate for this person .
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LOL @
I think Jovent and his ilk corner the market on hubris. Is this genetic by any chance.
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...is also faulty. IQ and SAT performance are far from being the same thing. IQ is amorphous and has nothing to do with reading, writing or math. The SATs test certain skills, all of which can be learned, and only serves to predict performance in college. The test is given with the disclaimer that the scores for certain groups should be held to a different scale standard - not because black people are intrinsically dumber and not even because of the lack of resources, but because on a basic linguistic level different groups analyze things slightly differently, and the standards of the test are admittedly based on a mainstream American mode of thought.
You broke it down, Ms. SAT. Seriously though, they use different things and make up their own assumptions using information that can't even accurately prove their point. Straw man argument at it's very best.
This is guy is a real ass.
I've never believe IQ tests to be any measure of intellect. I also take issue with all standardized tests, as they don't so much measure intellect as they do memorization.
/veteran of ITBS/TAAS grades 3-11
This is guy is a real ass. I've never believe IQ tests to be any measure of intellect. I also take issue with all standardized tests, as they don't so much measure intellect as they do memorization. /veteran of ITBS/TAAS grades 3-11
LOL I am a veteran of the TASP, TAAS. Those tests are a joke. In college I worked temporary for a company where we graded the writing portion of the test. The grading system was so screwy. I would sit their dumbfounded at what would be considered passing, and what would fail. A person who wrote a thought out well organized paragraph would get the same grade as someone who wrote a three word answer.It was completely crazy to me.
Does this person know how many crimes go unnoticed or unreported in the U.S.?
The government is dodgy!
Oh yeah, and wm never ever raped bw... idiotic fool
LOL SIditty,
I got the same email and blogged about it. This is hillarious. The Grand Wizard it lurking.
"When James Watson came out with that statement of africans being genetically dumber. I pissed off for days ! This is why i hate statistics they fail to take a lot of things into account. I did a stats module at uni and even the lecturer said that they can be reallly inacurrate !"
Last I heard James Watson was found to have some black genes. Which according to him would prove his theory.
As for JoVent,
What type of self respecting, "superior", intelligent White person would puke such stuff ?
Some of us like to have White men on a pedestal, then you have this asshole show for a reality check. As if it isn't enough to tamper with our freedoms, you have to disturb our fantasies. JoVent, go hang yourself on a tomato plant.
I realise that these people are in real mess, they definitely have something missing.
I forgot about TASP!
Missing one question got me stuck in remedial math for 2 friggin semesters!
I think it's a racket to get more tuition money, as remedial classes don't count for graduation.
Evan,
I <3 u! Men are responsibly for about 90% or higher of murders and violent crimes. Surely if locking up all men would prevent nearly 100% of crime, wouldn't that be the best course of action? I took to pointing that out the stat-citers on Craig's List but they never had a response to that.
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Siditty and Grata,
I really do not understand why these buffoons waste their time sending through this crap. Especially to blogs owned by black people who are more intelligent than average people (yes, white people, too).
Do they expect us to say, "Well gee. I guess we are dirtbags. Why don't just go commit some crimes or drop out of school since my true nature is to be a criminal or at least an uneducated oaf.
What also kills me is how often these same people hate Jews for being too successful. Intelligent becomes "crafty", ambition becomes "greed" or "power-hungry", and financial responsibility becomes "cheap". Really it's about ego-protection for some of these turds. When else fails, at least they can derive some pride from being white.
Last I heard James Watson was found to have some black genes. Which according to him would prove his theory.
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LOL !!
Yan said:
Really it's about ego-protection for some of these turds. When else fails, at least they can derive some pride from being white.
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spot on! That said it all.
Now that's a sad and sorry state to be in. To have nothing but the color of your skin to be proud about.
re: Howard Zinn. He's very critical anybody can be a critic. but I wish he offered solutions against war.
or does he?
"Really it's about ego-protection for some of these turds. When else fails, at least they can derive some pride from being white".
Yan,
Nailed it! Such people's only asset is their whiteness. How pathetic is that? How can your whole being be defined by your skin ? How more superficial can one get?
I thought fashionisters who were defined by their purses were bad but this kind takes the cake.
I really do not understand why these buffoons waste their time sending through this crap. Especially to blogs owned by black people who are more intelligent than average people (yes, white people, too). Do they expect us to say, "Well gee. I guess we are dirtbags. Why don't just go commit some crimes or drop out of school since my true nature is to be a criminal or at least an uneducated oaf.
I honestly think some of them do, they probably don't expect a response either. I guess he wanted me to say I rob, murder, and steal, that is what I am supposed to do, I am black!!!!!!
All this person has to make himself feel better is his whiteness.
I got an email from this person too! Now, all of a sudden, I'm receiving a ton of junk mail and getting spammed with aim messages too.
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