
I get this question a lot via email. The answer is I really don't know. I lucked out. I ended up with a really smart, nice guy, who is patient with me, and does well for himself. I guess I will just tell you how I got the one guy I married.
My husband is my first real adult relationship. I had dated guys for a couple of months at a time, but this guy was the first guy I really dated, and he is one of the few men who have actually professed their love for me. He is my only long term relationship. He is the only man I have lived with.
With that disclaimer. Here goes.
My husband had a crush on me, he is shy. I am not. I pursued him. I put myself out there to get shot down. It worked out. I am the more aggressive person in the relationship. He and I started talking, we talked about going out on a date. I actually scheduled the date, and was very persistent. My husband actually cancelled our first date, he didn't have enough money. I offered to pay, he refused, we scheduled at his next scheduled pay period. I know s a black woman, especially one who dates IR, nice white men don't knock down my door to ask me out. You find one who likes you, you go for it.
Speaking of pay, I wasn't bothered he was only making $13/hour. It didn't bother me he was not banking six figures because I knew he was really smart, and he had just started in his career. He was also in college. He is now an IT consultant, that job taught him how to be good at his current job. IT consultants make more than $13 per hour. I figure as long as a guy makes an effort and he isn't just sitting on his ass, it should work out great. Also note our first date was at a Cheddar's, which is about on par with a Chili's or Friday's. I knew not to expect five star dining or that we would be hanging out at only upscale establishments. Maybe because I am not too much into status, money doesn't bother me, as long as you can live comfortably, it is all good. I am not about going out on a date at the soup kitchen (unless it is a cutesy, let's volunteer to help the homeless kind of thing), but I don't need anything too fancy.
Even though we have absolutely nothing in common and he isn't necessarily someone I would hang out with as a friend, doesn't mean he doesn't make a great friend and husband. Music, clothes, lifestyle, ideals, you name it, we have nothing in common. Even though we have nothing in common, he is a really sweet guy. He is very patient with me, and he says sorry, even when he shouldn't to keep the peace. He is a saint, and we manage. It gets a bit frustrating at times that we have to compromise on doing things, but for the most part it works out.....at least I think :) I guess I am saying, keep your options open.
OK I know I look just like a supermodel and should expect the same, but regular guys who aren't pretty boys make for great partners. Pretty boys are what I dated before I met my husband. We could go shopping together, they could be complete jerks, and they weren't open to monogamy because they had options. My husband although very cute is more of a guy's guy. He shaves and cuts his hair because I make him. He isn't into fashion or status, and I have to encourage him to clip his toe nails. Even though it can get on your nerves to follow after a man about his hygiene, at least I know where he is every night, he is with me, he isn't on the prowl, and he is overall not into looking for women. I have dated pretty boys, pretty boys have too many options, and they get a bit wrapped up in expanding their options, which isn't good for long term relationships. I can overlook my husband's flaws, as he was able to overlook my flaws, and I have several. Commitment isn't a bad thing to regular guys, to many pretty boys, commitment is on par with death. When I quit dating pretty boys, I received commitment. Coincidence? I think not.
In terms of commitment, a great test to prove how committed a guy can be, tell him about three months into the relationship, very nonchalantly that he is going to marry you. If he doesn't run, he will actually marry you. Trust me on this, I know.
Another thing, hold out on sex. Don't sex up men on the first date. Guys want girls who are willing to wait. One night stands have sex on the first date. Girlfriends date before they mate. Let me embarrass myself by saying my husband was the one who wanted to wait. I was the fast ass hussy trying to hook up. I didn't know how the grown folks dating game worked. I know I am a hoochie.
Anyway that is how I got my man. The timing was good we hooked up, and got married. I hope this helps. This is not the rules of dating, but rather guidelines, there is no one way to "get a man"
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Siditty, your husband sounds a lot like my fiance. He isn't a pretty boy either (wouldn't know what hair product was if it hit him in the face), but he is the sweetest, kindest man I have ever met. He is the first and only person that has shown me unconditional love.
Blessings to you and your love, Temesha
I am grateful for women like you. I am a bit like your husband and had I not been pursued by my first black gf I am not sure if I would have ever tried IR dating. We had been friends, but I never really considered dating her mostly because I knew what my mom's reaction would be. But after you take that leap, you find that maybe IR dating is for you and that's what I have found to be true. Even so after dating multiple BW, it is a bit tricky to find one. There really is no magically formula to know whether or not someone is open to IR dating or if they are even interested in you. I am sure this goes both ways since BW who are looking for WM also find these challenges to see if someone is open to IR dating. But it definitely helps when the lady gives the nudge nudge wink wink and then you become a lot more comfortable.
I love pretty boys even though I know that I didn't marry one. My husband is 8 years older than me, self-conscious about losing his hair and the extra pounds he gained after we got together. Still, he wanted to marry me and I think he loves me, since he sacrificed so much to be with me--moving from England to the States-- selling his car, his house, etc. Like you, I dated pretty boys-- many of them younger than me and deeply immature and not suitable for the long haul. My husband is responsible, business-minded and dependable.Doesn't it sound like settling though? I love him, but I do think about the pretty boys with the chiseled bodies that I used to date and wonder what might have been.
That's such a great story :D I love relationships with happy endings, especially interracial ones. Pfft, I try to tell my mom to get more aggressive in terms of white men because we're both tired of her no-commitment "friends", but oh well.
The good thing is you found someone who makes you happy and you make them happy in return no matter what color they are /early morning mush
how'd i get "my" man?
as soon as i go to sleep, i'll tell ya....'cos that's the only place i've seen him.....
seriously:
your hubster sounds like an OK fella....
pretty boys, i liken to a picasso: pretty to look at, but you always have to "worry" about someone stealing it or "walking away" with it....or spend your time wondering if it's "the real thing"...
i'd much rather have a "work of art" that means something to ME...and makes ME happy....so what if it doesn't appeal to everyone else?
LOL@ fast hussy!
I'm glad you posted this! I've always been curious about how you and Mr. Siditty got together.
While I will admit a prefrence for the White boys, I've never let height (unless he was a munchkin) or a few extra pounds stop me from dating a guy if there was something about him that caught my eye.
Money isn't THAT important; at least not now. I have no room to talk as I'm now making minimum wage.
Co-sign on keeping your options open! I've never wanted to settle for anything less than I deserved.
Being a "man's man" my first instinct was to roll my eyes and skip down to other posts, the same way I would if someone asked me about bridesmaid dresses.
I had never dated a black girl and I am the whitest guy around, I snowboard and play rugby for heaven's sake, and when i first saw my wife I hardly thought twice about her.
Why?
Because she was hot by anyone's standards and we all know that hot black girls aren't into white guys. Especially hot, militant, black girls, those used to the "Yo Ma, can i get your number" as the first words they hear. (not a very white boy appraoch)
turns out we had one important thing in common (thats about it)and that was enough.
Go figure, that was 9 years, one wedding, and two kids ago.
Never been into pretty boys. Most of them act really feminine.
I like tatoos and peircings.
I'm going to stay away from shy guys for a while. The last so called shy guy I was with wasn't shy. He was just really submissive.
my two cents and a bit of unsolicited advice:
If you are inexperianced in dating we white boys please realize that the rituals of meeting and gaining the favor of women is different in our world.
my afformentioned "yo ma" approach on a white girl will almost always be met with a "whatever", a roll of the eyes, and then uncomplimentary comments to all her girlfriends.
We are forced into the drawn out:
A)prolonged eye contact
B)feigned dissinterest, because an overeager guy is a looser with no other options.
C)frantic asking around about her without her knowing and coming up with ways to bump into her again.
D)small talk but no arrangements to "follow up"
E)"This is uncanny how we keep meeting, maybe we should plan the next one".
The inexperianced our impatient will think the guy is shy or not into you... don't be fooled, he's just testing the waters.
Odds are he will do more "testing" than normal with a black girl because, once again, everyone knows black chicks don't really dig white guys. (unless we are rich, and we fake it just like everyone else)
I am grateful for women like you. I am a bit like your husband and had I not been pursued by my first black gf I am not sure if I would have ever tried IR dating. We had been friends, but I never really considered dating her mostly because I knew what my mom's reaction would be. But after you take that leap, you find that maybe IR dating is for you and that's what I have found to be true.
My husband had dated IR before, but I didn't really know. Then his best friend told my best friend that he thought I was cute. I pounced. That just sounded so high school, but in reality that happened in college.
I think he was similar to you in that he had dated BW, but he was still nervous to ask out black women.
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My husband is 8 years older than me, self-conscious about losing his hair and the extra pounds he gained after we got together. Still, he wanted to marry me and I think he loves me, since he sacrificed so much to be with me--moving from England to the States-- selling his car, his house, etc. Like you, I dated pretty boys-- many of them younger than me and deeply immature and not suitable for the long haul. My husband is responsible, business-minded and dependable.Doesn't it sound like settling though? I love him, but I do think about the pretty boys with the chiseled bodies that I used to date and wonder what might have been.
It's ok to look, you just can't touch :) Nothing wrong with looking beyond the physical. Like I said my husband isn't concerned with such things as facials or basic general grooming :) A gentle reminder never hurts, it is like living with a five year old, but he is still pretty awesome LOL He is faithful, treats me nice, and has the patience of a saint :)
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That's such a great story :D I love relationships with happy endings, especially interracial ones. Pfft, I try to tell my mom to get more aggressive in terms of white men because we're both tired of her no-commitment "friends", but oh well.
Just have your mom keep her options open. My father is a black man, and he is into commitment, at least he has been since 1973 :)
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While I will admit a prefrence for the White boys, I've never let height (unless he was a munchkin) or a few extra pounds stop me from dating a guy if there was something about him that caught my eye.
This is horrible and wrong, but I have a height thing. My husband is 6'1, and he is one of the shortest guys I ever dated. In terms of money as a college student, I was broke, so I didn't expect much from another college student, but he did work and go to school full time, so I knew he was pretty responsible, even if he was great at finding spare change in the couch to take to the Coinstar :)
I give him slack at 21 about being broke. If he was 45, I might have been a little more concerned :)
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Because she was hot by anyone's standards and we all know that hot black girls aren't into white guys. Especially hot, militant, black girls, those used to the "Yo Ma, can i get your number" as the first words they hear. (not a very white boy appraoch) turns out we had one important thing in common (thats about it)and that was enough.
LOL She was probably excited that someone didn't approach her with "Yo Ma"
I don't think I have ever gone on a date with someone who has cat called me LOL
I've never figured out why guys do that.
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The inexperianced our impatient will think the guy is shy or not into you... don't be fooled, he's just testing the waters. Odds are he will do more "testing" than normal with a black girl because, once again, everyone knows black chicks don't really dig white guys. (unless we are rich, and we fake it just like everyone else)
My husband definitely fit that profile LOL He tested the waters until I made him jump in LOL
Very lovely story Siditty!
OMG Adam and brohammas,
I am so excited you guys posted. It is rare to get the white guy point of view :)
He was the shortest at 6'1?
Dang, girl, you were into NBA height!
I believe in Workable Short. I'm about 5'7, so Workable Short for me is about 5'9.
Temesha,
My husband is a hottie, but he really doesn't keep up with what is in style. He is more concerned about more important things, like video games and collecting G.I. Joes.
My husband was the first guy who ever told me he loved me and it wasn't in precursor in trying to get me into a bed :)
He was the shortest at 6'1?
Dang, girl, you were into NBA height!
I believe in Workable Short. I'm about 5'7, so Workable Short for me is about 5'9.
I'm 5'7 ish (a little shorter), but yeah I got a height thing. As I have said before, I managed to find the only white guy on the basketball team at my college and dated him. He was short, only 6'4 :)
Yeah, my husband is 6ft 2 and I'm 5ft.8. Usually, I like tall men-- always have, but shorter guys can be cute too. I've dated guys my height and an inch or two shorter. I guess it shouldn't matter, but to some of my shorter female friends-- like under 5ft. 5, they will not look at a guy who isn't 6ft. or taller. It's so funny. But being from England, my husband tried to talk to or "chat up" Black English/Caribbean/African women, and they were very stand-offish and dismissive towards him. I think he had always been attracted to Black women, but he just found that Black women in the States were more friendly. Obviously, some Black women here are not receptive to a White man's interest, just like in the UK, but there are some Black women here who clearly are.
Great advice! Though I think ladies shouldn't be fooled by SOME homely guys either, many of them give just as much attitude, are arrogant and spend just as much time in front of the mirror as the pretty ones AND are just as full of themselves. As far as fidelity goes, I think it all depends on the individual. I think for those of them that do cheat is because they feel that if one woman has paid them attention (probably a girlfriend or wife) then they feel other women HAVE to be interested in them. It's as if they feel all of a sudden they are gods gift to women. Unfortunately ALL of my uncles on my fathers side behave this way, EVEN my father.
Though I think ladies shouldn't be fooled by SOME homely guys either, many of them give just as much attitude, are arrogant and spend just as much time in front of the mirror as the pretty ones AND are just as full of themselves.
Please don't confuse homely and ugly with not being a pretty boy. No one has ever confused my husband with being ugly. He is far from it. He just doesn't spend time on his looks, when I say this I mean who doesn't have to wear the latest name brand clothing, he is happy with his Gap, Old Navy, and Banana Republic. He isn't going to go out to get his hair cut in the latest style. He isn't about trying to "look the part". I know many "ugly" pretty boys. They spend just as much time in the mirror, and can be idiots too, but it seems to be in vain, as they just stay ugly.
I want to echo Siditty said. I didn't mean to imply her husband or my fiance were homely. My fiance is just not interested in style or fashion (and to a degree, I'm not either). We both just want to be comfortable.
He was used to being overlooked for that reason, so he was surprised when I expressed interest in him. He didn't really have to wonder if I was open to dating interracially because one of our first conversations was on that topic. In hindsight, I wonder if that was his way of feeling me out. :)
brohammas....there are more of us black women who are interested in/opening up our options to date white guys (or guys of other ethnicities) than you think....
we gotta work on getting past all the "brainwashing" that's been done on the subject of IR dating
then, there are those of us who "jumped the fence" early on!
*wink to phantom mare, wherever she is)
DiosaNegra1967
Of course I know better NOW. But I didn't then and most don't know it now, except those reading this but then this is the choir were talking to here right?
P.S. when do we get to talk about my future nieces and nephews being amazed by things like arm hair...seriously white boys, get ready because the children are as i said "amazed"
@ Brohammas:
I looked @ your pictures on flicker, you have a gorgeous wife and kids :)
Thank you
brohammas: i concur with soila....it's nice to see another happy fam!
and, given where you "are" (work-wise), it's a likely possibility i've passed ya on the streets of CC....
so, hiya neighbor(s)!
LOL @ the nieces and nephews being amazed at arm hair....kids are "something else" ain't they?
Brohammas,
I agree with Soila and Diosanegra. Beautiful Family :)
Very sweet story. I always like hearing how couples get together. LOL @ you being the hussy, I was the same way with my dh. I still tease him that after our first date he dropped me off at home with a rather chaste kiss on the cheek. Glad I gave him a 2nd date and now 13 years he is still making me happy.
what do you mean about arm hair?
Lol when you guys said pretty, I thought you all were talking about the "Im prettier than you" model type metro sexual looking guys, which is what I was referring to. Not NORMAL guys who aren't overly concerned with fashion and such. If THATS the case, then I agree. As soon as I read this post it had me thinking of the whole "date ugly guys, their nicer and won't cheat" mantra (think of this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9ZZgDqzAg&feature=related ) that I from alot of folks, which I think is b.s. (my aunt is married to a guy like this. She admittedly said she didn't find him attractive though he was NICE when they were dating and engaged, but his niceness wore off when they were married, he began speaking rudely, and CHEATING on her constantly and even ended up having two kids out side their marriage, that he DOES NOT SUPPORT. The fifty year old fool is jobless, toothless and has been for the past 16 years) ANYBODY can be a jerk. Which is why I think it's best to get to REALLY know the person first.
off topic I know...but bare with me :)
Awwwwwww! So sweet. My boyfriend pursued be. I was also in a not-so-great relationship at the time and my boyfriend was like, No! Not only am I better for you, I can take care of you. Not that I was looking for a man to take care of me, but a man who is able to is alright in my book. Lol. The rest is history.
Siditty, you're a great writer and very funny!!I love your blog and how you have more entries than any1 else!!! About this: "I can overlook my husband's extra weight, as he was able to overlook my flaws, and I have several"--I saw a pic of you two on EWAIM and he looks tall and slim. You must be feeding him well!:)
Siditty, in the book He's Just Not That Into You (btw,it's very funny..yet real) the author says if a man is not willing to ask you out,no matter how shy he is...he's just not that in2 you and probably says yes if he has no other options at the time.What do you think about that?
Brohammas,your paintings are so beautiful!! :)
Jess, I so took that pic down. He was mad I put it up. And that definbitely was 1 of my fat pics. I carry ALL my weight in my face. In terms of what I think about the book. That could be true,but I knew he liked me before I pursued, and he really was broke as hell, and kind of old fashioned(he believes guys should pay on dates) so I don't think our first date was out of pity. I should also add that he had broken up w a live in girlfriend less than 2 months proir, he wasn't really looking, I just slightly persuaded him to look :)
I resent your statement about "Pretty Boys."
We "Pretty Boys" are not some monolith you know? 8)
Yo, since i am sitting in a dingy cyber cafe somewhere in Nigeria's capital i just have to say i skimmed thru real quick !!! so i am gonna type fast and probs make a lot of spelling mistakes:
first...I REALLY MISSED THIS BLOG|
second: i hagve never had a boyfriend..no one even looks at me unless they are drunk or just wierdos...u know the kind that come up to u and are like "hey baby" and i like pretty boys, the fact that u got to date pretty boys is pretty amazing... I STILL WANT TO KNOW HOW U DO IT...i am usually the aggressive straight forward one too ,i dont think i can afford to WAIT !! ppl are always saying i am young, but havent they heard "u have to kiss a few frogs befopre u find ur prince"?...the problem is that i have not kissed ANY frogs...and i do not want to be alone..:-( anyway i have like 5 mins left so i gotta go
but keep up the interesting posts
what's a dh?
Hello Siditty,
I read you regularly. You're a great writer & I have to say the posts you write about your loving friendship with your husband are the most beautiful & sexy.
Brohammas, it's not that black women aren't interested in nonblack men, but that white supremacy & Black Communism has made sure that black women are wary of the motives of nonblack men (black women are working to overcome this conditioning & stereotyping).
patsgirl
brohammas said: We are forced into the drawn out:
A)prolonged eye contact
B)feigned dissinterest, because an overeager guy is a looser with no other options.
C)frantic asking around about her without her knowing and coming up with ways to bump into her again.
D)small talk but no arrangements to "follow up"
E)"This is uncanny how we keep meeting, maybe we should plan the next one".
The inexperianced our impatient will think the guy is shy or not into you... don't be fooled, he's just testing the waters.
Odds are he will do more "testing" than normal with a black girl because, once again, everyone knows black chicks don't really dig white guys. (unless we are rich, and we fake it just like everyone else)
Ahhh..so that was what it was...lol
I recently went through this little dance and came out so frustrated and pissed at the guy. I was cussin' him out for a full week. LMAO...I was going through the whole convo trying to figure out what happened and why, thinking maybe I should have said something to encourage him. It confused me to no end.
Siditty, in the book He's Just Not That Into You (btw,it's very funny..yet real) the author says if a man is not willing to ask you out,no matter how shy he is...he's just not that in2 you and probably says yes if he has no other options at the time.What do you think about that?
I guess I came off desperate, and my husband really didn't want me, but I guess he settled with me? I don't know what to say to that, I don't agree with it.
I resent your statement about "Pretty Boys." We "Pretty Boys" are not some monolith you know? 8)
I am so sorry Fairlane, I know not all you pretty boys are the same :)
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hagve never had a boyfriend..no one even looks at me unless they are drunk or just wierdos...u know the kind that come up to u and are like "hey baby" and i like pretty boys, the fact that u got to date pretty boys is pretty amazing... I STILL WANT TO KNOW HOW U DO IT...i am usually the aggressive straight forward one too ,i dont think i can afford to WAIT !!
Suesue,
It will happen. I was always out and about, and I talk to everyone, sometimes my husband thinks I am too talkative, but I don't know strangers. I know that sounds bad, but true. He got mad at me yesterday I managed to talk to 5 people at the dealership we were waiting at.
It will come, trust me.
Now enjoy Nigeria and get off the internet :)
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Thanks patsgirl :)
*Coming through for the first time*
I just wanted to say thank you for posting this. It has opened my eyes to certain things when it comes to dating.
Great post :)
*Coming through for the first time*
I just wanted to say thank you for posting this. It has opened my eyes to certain things when it comes to dating.
Great post :)
Welcome!!!!!!!!! I hope you enjoy the blog.
I just wanted to say how much I've enjoyed reading your blog. The story about your husband and you makes me think if myself and my wife. We're also IR (WM/AF), and it's good to read about others who have crossed these barriers to make happy families.
I think we even live nearby if you still live in the Dallas area. Almost feels like we're neighbors.
I just wanted to say how much I've enjoyed reading your blog. The story about your husband and you makes me think if myself and my wife. We're also IR (WM/AF), and it's good to read about others who have crossed these barriers to make happy families.
I think we even live nearby if you still live in the Dallas area. Almost feels like we're neighbors.
Hi neighbor!!!!!! Thanks for reading the blog, and I hope it isn't too offensive or crazy for you. I went over to your blog, you have a very beautiful family.
Girl, that was funny. My story of how I got my brown sugar is different, but it's been working for the last 29 years. But it seems like you two are a great couple keep the fire going and catch up to me.
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