The truth is that Hispanics came here as conquerors. African-Americans came here as slaves. Hispanics consider themselves above blacks. They won’t vote for a black president.
Yes, he actually said that. He also said this:
I feel strongly that Hispanics will not support, in my generation and the generation around my age, are not going to support the Democratic candidate for president primarily because there is a strong feeling that African Americans during the civil rights movement took advantage, full advantage, of all the benefits and programs that the government offered, that were supposed to be offered to all minorities. But we were left behind, we were left sucking air, and we resented that ever since the 60s, and I don’t see how a black president is going to change that.
Thanks Grata for the heads up.
Seriously, this seems to be an ongoing trend. I live in Texas. If you don't know Texas used to be a part of Mexico. We have a VERY large hispanic population, and I can say many young and old have this view. They never want to discuss that the Spaniards that conquered Mexico conquered many of their indian ancestors, which the majority of them actually are. Just because you have some European blood in you, doesn't make you European, if you haven't learned the MAJORITY of blacks with slave ancestry can say the same exact thing. Also note many hispanics, including mexicans have black ancestry as well. Some of the black slaves escaped on down to Mexico and settled there. The horror, the possibility of black blood diluting all that spaniard blood.
Some are upset the blacks "took" full advantage of all the benefits. How this was done? I don't know, as it was meant for ALL minorities, including HISPANICS, and WHITE WOMEN. Also note that there was limited hispanic involvement in the civil rights movement, as at that time, only a few states had hispanics, and the illegal immigration issue was non existent, and they were allowed, at least in Texas to attend and partake in white only establishments. So I guess the assumption is blacks do all the work, while they benefit from it, and they are mad that black people took advantage of what they fought for. I don't know. I also want to add, what laws have been put in place for BLACKS ONLY? Name one Federal or Local law that is exclusively for the use of blacks?
I know I sound racist, and I do not for one second believe that ALL hispanics think this way, but dammit if the racist of all hues ain't pissing me off!!!!!!
You would think that will all the struggles minorities of all hues share, some folks would know better than to go there. I don't have to put down folks in order to exalt myself, and if you feel you are higher up on the racial hierarchy, don't forget there is always someone lower, and don't forget that depending upon public opinion you might fall down the rung a bit. Racism, of all hues is bad, don't contribute.
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I first heard of this a few days ago.
The guys obviously a racist idiot, not only because of what he's said but also because it doesnt even apply to Barack Obama, as he is literally African/American. He(most likely) didnt have ancestors who were 'conquered'.
Also, this guy may well have black in him, along with a good majority of hispanics.
Simply put, he's an ignorant racist... although those two words go hand in hand
So I guess the assumption is blacks do all the work, while they benefit from it, and they are mad that black people took advantage of what they fought for.
Exactly.
So lemme get this straight we're supposed to fight for all minorities. What will they be doing for us? Stepping on us to gain assimilation?
AAs fought for our civil and human rights since majority of racist laws affected us, of course we have to benefit for what WE fought for. The last time I looked, I didn't see a hispanic marching in Selma. I'm sick and tired of other groups politicizing OUR sweat/blood in the Civil Rights Movement for their own agenda and have the freaking nerve to believe they're better than us.
Can anyone find any evidence that Mexican Americans were not allowed to participate in the Civil Rights movement? How about forming their own Civil Rights movement.
Seriously, anyone?
That's not to say that Latino's didn't experience discrimination in the 60's, but when the discrimination is built on a legacy of slavery and wanting to keep a group of people in their place, it's a whole new ballgame
This guy is an assclown, plain and simple.
So, ummm.... what about the Moors conquering parts of Spain.... you know since Hispanics come from Spain.... yeah...
I've heard these words from many different Hispanics, and it pisses me off. Truth be told, not all Blacks arrived as slaves, but a vast majority did (read upon your history). Also, Blacks paved the way for all minorities, especially Hispanics, for we (Blacks) had no choice to deliver what was encumbered upon us.
How dare any Hispanic look down upon Blacks?!
Assclown. Ignorant, ignorant assclown. If the word "assclown" is included in Webster's dictionary, Fernando C. de Baca needs to be highlighted as an example.
Its views like this is why I wonder why Blacks are the first ones to want to hold hands with other groups and sing Kumba Ya and we should over come. Other groups have never wanted to be on par with blacks. We are cannon fodder under their heals that they need to trod on to assimilate and/or to further their own interests and the sooner we realize that and focus on our own the better we can be. We put so much energy into trying to form coalitions with others, yet we ignore what we are doing to each other.
I see other groups promoting their own interests and working diligently to be seen as a separate group that is not painted with the requisite tar brush. The only time other groups have their hands out with blacks is when opportunistically, the Civil Rights movement comes up, and they want to claim what they’ve done while siphoning away the very real sacrifices that Blacks have made, that everyone enjoys. With the exception of some Jews who were visibly there to help blacks during the civil rights movement, I do not recall seeing a huge phalanx of Hispanic, Asian or native American groups holding hands and slapping the backs of blacks when they were hosed down, had dogs on them, or being terrorized and brutalized on mass desegregating schools, getting people to vote and protesting. Not a one.
Apparently, Mr. de Baca has resigned from his position..surprise, surprise. I am sure that the Republican party definitely had a hand in making sure he left his post very quickly. Seriously, comments like this don't sit well with voters even if they aren't Democratics.
Unfortunately, his insensitive words do represent what some Hispanics think about us. That we are somehow inferior because some of our ancestors came over as slaves. Which just shows how little they know history because every racial groups has been captured by another group since the beginning of civilization until today. Hopefully, now Mr. de Baca will use his free time getting his head out of his ass and read up on the "real" history of the United States.
Don't spend too much of your intelligent energy on this foul-mouthed REPUBLICAN.
He is not indicative of the youth or Hispanics, I have met here in Texas.
It's just a way to keep brown fold separate and the status quo in power.
Don't take the bait!!
I remember a Hispanic guy that I was dating would tell me that his Cuban parents viewed Black people as lazy and that Hispanics were harder-working and that Black people had more to gain from the Civil Rights Movement, but squandered it. At the time it amazed me that that was how some of them really viewed Black people. Maybe it has more to do with which generation you are talking about. But, I know that there is a lot of tension between Mexicans and Black people in some parts of Georgia. In spite of what Baca said,I'm sure that there are many who feel the way he does-- Even though it's ignorant
"It's just a way to keep brown fold separate and the status quo in power."
This argument of 'the man' dividing and ruling minorities, I don't buy. There are inherent differences and racism towards blacks from all other groups. Enough to create these kinds of tensions without the White man. Look at race relations in South America then you will know see that you don't need the white man dividing and ruling.
Humanity tends to follow the variation of hue. The lighter the better. And this concepts appears universal but varies in areas with only black people
(Africa).
To me anyone that is outside of the black race carries that lighter is better complex that has been heavily encouraged by Western Philosophies and "science". So this kind of thing shouldn't come as a surprise.
What surprises me is that someone of such stature would be stupid enough to say it knowing that is a career killer. And if it is indeed true, what is the point of voicing it? To me that is someone with a strong inferiority complex.
Any one that comes out and states they, because of their skin color, are superior to one that is darker, has a serious inferiority complex and is quite dangerous actually. So its no surprise that it was his fellow republicans that asked him to resign.
Sid,
I have been thinking alot about the reactions to such statements.
A part of me was thinking, why not ignore such fools and leave them with their delusions and black people just keep it moving and let it pass.
Then I came to a realization, such statements are the beginning of a very dangerous process of dehumanization. First you tell the person they are inferior. If you persist, the person tends to believe it making it easy for the opressor to take full advantage and completely dehumanize their victim. This process works in holocausts, genocides and slavery. In the holocaust, the German people had to be psyched that the jews were akin to vermin. By dehumanizing them it became easier to kill them. In the Rwanda Genocide, the Tutsis were refered to as roaches, so as less than humans, neighbors and acquitances were able to kill each other. We all know what happened with slavery.
When you stop seeing a person as a human being equal to you, its easier to oppress them and eventually destroy them. What Baca and his like are doing is convince themselves of the inferiority of blacks so they can continue to maginalize them whenever they can. So he can not be taken lightly. And that is what racism is, convince yourself that blacks are criminal, lazy, stupid etc so that whatever crimes are committed against them become justifyable in one's conscience.
When you see it that way, you realize that racism is more deadly than we tend to imagine. Its a precursor to the complete destruction of a race.
Its time for blacks to adopt a NEVER AGAIN stance because as we see, the Hispanics took the mantel from the whites and God knows who next.
And I am totally against the argument of minorities being divided by whites to maintain power. That argument takes the responsibility away from the Hispanics. They are very capable of attempting to oppress blacks by themselves.
To be honest, the republican party chairman Fernado C de Baca, can say what he likes, at the end of the time, it will be the results on 4th November, this is going to be the biggest voting in the history of the USA and more young people are voting than ever before. The voting will be divided between the old and the young. I think many Republicans know what is likely to happy and they are just using scare tactics.
@Grata,
It takes more than the word of a Republican racist to make me think the entire Latino population feels this way.
Nobody said anything about the 'white man'. I said status quo. How you interpret that is up to you.
How simplistic is the 'light/dark' skin issue is the root of all evil?
That I do not buy.
"Every other American and every other community owes the African-American community a debt of gratitude. We must say thanks." (Henry Cisneros)
That's all I got to say about that. :)
It amazes me at how stupidity is becoming more and more prevalent within the Republican party.
This de Baca idiot obviously failed ninth grade history as a child. Hispanics didn't come to the Americas as conquerors. WHITE SPANIARDS (not Natives) came to the Americas as conquerors. Keyword WHITE, not mestizo. They conquered the Mexican Indians, killed them off through disease and guns and worked to death the rest of the collapsed population of Natives who survived the conquest. So all this "Hispanics came as conquerors" is a crock of shit. They weren't even known as Hispanic at that time. The term "Hispanic" was used after the Civil Rights Movement This de Baca loon OBVIOUSLY looks mestizo(mixed Mexican Indian/European)not European. Seriously, how did this nutjob get to be "chairman" of a political party when he can't even comprehend high school history?? See, THAT scares me.
Obama's father is AFRICAN, not African-American. Not every brown face that isn't Latino is a descendant of slaves.
De Baca needs to have a coke, smile, and shut the fuck up.
It amazing tome that somehow only Americans of African descent are thought of as the descendants of slaves. Somehow the Indigenous Peoples, Europeans and even Afro-Latinos/Caribbeans from anywhere else in the Americas/the Caribbean who descend from slaves, indentured or otherwise, always escape this slave stigma. Some Americans are not even aware that slavery existed in the "New World" outside of the US! And that it didn't only pertain to Blacks.
And let's not forget the European colonization of many parts of Africa, including Kenya -- the failed Mau Mau Uprising was a result of the British colonization of Kenya (so, yeah, plenty of Africans now coming to the US are from a "conquered" people...and they were conquered right on their own soil, no less. Even during the trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, some tribes who, in the beginning, happily sold off human beings as livestock, were later FORCED to sell off large numbers valuable workers even when it became detrimental to the existence of the tribe. So, there was quite a bit of "conquering" going on back then too).
I live in Arizona so the feelings of some Hispanics towards Blacks is no surprise to me. What is a little shocking is that if Mr. de Baca has been paying any attention to what a good number of the White populations has been saying, he'd know that they don't view him the way he views himself. In AZ at least, Mexican is the new Black.
Dear Siddity:
I don't know why you are letting this one Hispanic idiot get you so upset. Facts are that the polls show that Hispanics will support Barack Obama over McCain by at least 2-1. Yes, you always will have some of all racial groups (including Blacks by the way) who will not support a Black man.
So what? It's their choice. It is irritating, but there really is not much we can do to change bigots (whether they are White, Hispanic or Black). Thank God that the majority of Hispanics don't have this idiot's mindset.
GO OBAMA!!!
"How simplistic is the 'light/dark' skin issue is the root of all evil?
That I do not buy".
I am not sure I get your question but if I am to guess at it, you sound like you doubt that there is a universal discrimination against blacks. If you cannot see the reality of that then I guess it is pointless having this discussion.
"Keyword WHITE, not mestizo. They conquered the Mexican Indians, killed them off through disease and guns and worked to death the rest of the collapsed population of Natives who survived the conquest. So all this "Hispanics came as conquerors" is a crock of shit"
Hispanics have real grievances against the Europeans. That is clear. What I don't understand is why some of them think they can achieve justice by trying to take a dump on blacks.
If some guy wrongs you, do you go after his house hold help? This shows their serious inferiority complex. They can not directly attack the group that wronged them but want to go for one that was marginalized.
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