Angry and Black Since 1976; Somebody's Momma Since 2010
2009-02-27
Proof of Mainstream IR
On Facebook, I took a "How White Are You Quiz?" and one of the questions was:
I guess it is nice to know Asian women can actually be desired and it not be considered a negative to white America. When will other women of color get this acceptance?
lol!You do know the white guy who owns facebook is dating an asian girl?As for when WOC will be treated the same as aw in the eyes of white America,my answer: never.I just dont see it happening any time soon and it probably never will.I've heard too much ridicule and insults towards bw.It seems like as time goes by things get worse for bw.Sometimes I doubt if they see as human!
No but seriously, poor Asian women have been fetishized and the Asians deemed the "acceptable" minority. If I was Asian I'd tell them to stick their patronizing condescending attitude up their collective asses. How offensive.
Hispanic women are also acceptable to WM as long as she doesn't have Black ancestry or is Puerto Rican/Dominican as well. You're right, other WOC beside nonblack Latina and Asian don't get the same respect and regard white women regularly received on a daily basis.
The question is, truthfully, do black women both individually and as a group, deman respect en masse? If we don't deman it, why would we expect to get t especially when we have seen that the masses are no willing to give it?
Siddity, I think it's UTTERLY RIDICULOUS THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT BECAUSE ASIAN WOMEN AREN'T DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN IRR'S LIKE BW ARE THAT THIS MEANS ASIAN WOMEN ARE BETTER THAN BW.
BW HAVE, ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE AS GOOD AS WOMEN OF ANY RACE.
WE NEED TO TUNE OUT AND DESTROY THESE SICK, RACIST, ANTI-BW LIES, MYTHS, AND STEREOTYPES (REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANTI-BW RACISTS THINK) AND FOCUS ON PRESENTING THE POSITIVE IMAGE OF THE WM/NON-BM WHO FIND BW ATTRACTIVE, PURSUE SERIOUS IRR'S WITH THEM, AND RESPECT THE HUMANITY, DIGNITY, AND FEMININITY OF BW.
What a weird quiz. C-1, you were Barack Obama?? That's funny because you seem so sure about who you are. Maybe because you could be interpreted as an "Extreme Liberal". Facebook has it's positive merits-- I was able to find several of my old College and H.S. buddies that I haven't seen in 15 years.
"If we don't deman it, why would we expect to get t especially when we have seen that the masses are no willing to give it?"
Exactly. And this will begin with seeing the Black man's plight as not more important than our own. Many times I am in discussion with a Black male about racism, I end up on the consoling side completely forgetting the BW's plight. BW need to start putting themselves first. This will require some ruthlessness. The black males have other members of society looking out for them while the BW has no one. Its time to take care of ourselves first. And those with sons, its time for the black man to man up. The victim card is getting quickly irrelevant, they have got to start taking it on the chin and move on. If life threatening incidents of racism flare up, BM should stand up and march for their dignity instead of rioting. This they have to start doing themselves. We see where the BW's contribution has brought us. Black men need to defend their own rights since they can't defend the BW's.
BW need to focus on their own plight. The challenges are great.
"The question is, truthfully, do black women both individually and as a group, deman respect en masse? If we don't deman it, why would we expect to get t especially when we have seen that the masses are no willing to give it?"
Why should we have to demand respect before we receive it? WW/AW/HW automatically receive a certain amount of respect from black and non-black men without demanding it. So why should we have to ask in order to receive the same kind of respect that these women are given?
In regards to the post, I have never understood why your whiteness is defined by whether you have dated an AW or found one attactive. My ex (white male) left me for an Asian chic because she was Ivy educated and I only went to one of those liberal arts college (Wesleyan) which is damn near as good as any Ivy League school. But to each his own i guess.
Why should we have to demand respect before we receive it? WW/AW/HW automatically receive a certain amount of respect from black and non-black men without demanding it. So why should we have to ask in order to receive the same kind of respect that these women are given?
Thank you! Someone said it. I don't see white women DEMANDING RESPECT openly and vocally. Why must we be the only group of women to do this?
In regards to the post, I have never understood why your whiteness is defined by whether you have dated an AW or found one attactive. My ex (white male) left me for an Asian chic because she was Ivy educated and I only went to one of those liberal arts college (Wesleyan) which is damn near as good as any Ivy League school. But to each his own i guess.
The stereotype is that all white guys LOVE asian women. To the point to get with them, they will immerse themselves in asian culture and are willing to go overseas to find them an asian wife. I have yet to hear about white men going en masse to Africa for the women.
Also note that Asian women are the safer bet than black women. I ran into many a man who want want to flirt and do nothing more as they couldn't "bring me home", if they want to come home with a non-white woman, she better be asian.
OK on the whole Ivy League thing, if it isn't Yale or Harvard, we in the south just don't get all involved in it, unless you are from the West Coast. We can manage to become millionaire's here in Texas going to state schools and SMU and Rice. We don't get caught up. My current midwife went to Harvard and the pediatrician I am planning to use also went to Harvard, but to us we kind of think it is neat, but I would have been happy with a doctor who went to UT Southwest if they subscribed to my beliefs about vaccinations. I didn't even know my midwife went there until I saw her diploma on the wall, and then I was confused because I assumed she was a southern woman with her twang and that she had been practicing here in Texas for 20 years. It wasn't a factor.
I guess I don't understand the obsession with the Ivy League school thing.
LaReyna, As a Hispanic WOC, my life experience has been that MOST AMERICAN WM only accept Hispanic women who DON'T HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY OR AT LEAST DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY. THIS IS ANOTHER OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF ANTI-BW RACISM. THIS MADNESS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT BW HAVE, ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE AS GOOD AS WOMEN OF ANY RACE.
ANON#1, You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT BW SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO DEMAND RESPECT FROM ANY MEN WHEN OTHER NON-BW DON'T HAVE TO. INSTEAD BW SHOULD REJECT DISRESPECT FROM ANY MAN AND ONLY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MEN WHO TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT.
I dated a couple of Asian girls: (though "Asian doesn't mean much outside of geography). One was Taiwanese and the other Japanese. Fortunately I knew a little about both cultures, but I made a mark effort to learn more. Navigating the different cultural norms took some doing; not to mention, the fact that most of their friends were also first generation. To generalize, they were much different than relationships I've had with western girls: Their norms and values can be quite different from Americans. I'm not of fan of men who go to Asia to hunt for women; however, if that's your thing, it would behoove you to know something of the culture.
"I wonder how a half asian/half black woman would do in the dating scene?"
As far as in general with white American men probably not well. Most of the Asian women I've seen with white American men have been of the lighter hue (Korean Japanese Chinese etc..) I haven't seen them with any Asian women of darker hue (Philippian Malaysian etc..)
"As an Hispanic WOC, my life experience has been that MOST AMERICAN WM only accept Hispanic women who DON'T HAVE BLACK ANCESTERY OR ATLEAST DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLACK ANCESTERY"
Yeah I've noticed the same thing. Besides WM it seems this is a general feel with other men too. Even some Hispanic men have a tendency to only pick lighter skinned Hispanic women. It's really bad in the media. The white looking Hispanic women seem to be worshiped *cough cough* Eva Longoria to name one. I'm willing to bet if she was a Black looking Hispanic woman she would get completely ignored.
"White men are discriminated against by most black women." _________________ Yeah, when you stop being hostile of Obama's choice of wife!(Saracasm) Alot of you people have a problem accepting Michelle Obama because she's Black. Many of them want to see a white woman as Obama's wife(see Steve Sailer).
So cut it out with your complaint about bw not choosing wm when they're the ones in the wrong about it.
ANON SAID, "White men are discriminated against by most black women."
LAROMANA'S RESPONSE, In my life experience in America, I have KNOWN MANY BW (African American, Afro Latinas, African BW, Caribbean BW, etc. )WHO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OPEN TO/INTERESTED IN IRR'S WITH WM/NON-BM. BW ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LOWER NUMBER OF WM/BW COUPLES AS COMPARED TO OTHER IRR'S. AFTER ALL, IRR'S IN AMERICA WERE LEGALIZED AS A RESULT OF A WM/BW COUPLE (THE LOVINGS) IN THE EARLY 60's.
The FACT IS (THOUGH MANY TRY TO DENY IT) THAT THE MAIN OBSTACLE THESE BW HAVE FACED TO SERIOUS DATING AND/OR MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MOST AMERICAN WM/NON-BM ARE THE RACIST ANTI-BW TENDEDENCIES OF THESE MEN.
IN AMERICA, MOST (NOT ALL) WM/NON-BM WILL PURSUE SERIOUS DATING AND/OR MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ANY NON-WW AS LONG AS SHE ISN'T A BW.
Siddity, why do you think that a woman's value lies in if a certain percentage of wm want to date her or not? You seem kind of obsessed with white men and status if you ask me. Shouldn't you just worry about what your husband wants? And you're almost assuming that most bw want a white man to begin with.Since MOST bw don't want a wm would you say wm are seen as less valuable?lol
sid, why the pic with the wm/bw/biracial child? Are you guilty of putting wm on the pedestal you accuse Evia of? Hmmm.If people are people why not put a same race couple w/child, of any race, as your profile. I mean we are all human right? And you really seem to be envious of all the wm asian women can pull. why is that? lol.why are you so obsessed with wm and who they are dating? Does who wm want affect your selfesteem?lol
sid, why the pic with the wm/bw/biracial child? Are you guilty of putting wm on the pedestal you accuse Evia of?
OK, let me see, that would be more representative of my family. I am knocked up. I am black, my husband is white, so naturally when I create a family it would resemble a family of a white man with a black woman. This has nothing to do with putting white men on pedestals. Explaining the issues and concerns of IR with folks has nothing to do with putting folks on a pedestal. Of course anything above a second grade reading level is hard for you to understand. Now go play with Evia and her cohorts and leave my blog alone.
So cut it out with your complaint about bw not choosing wm when they're the ones in the wrong about it.
I second that, I'm tired of that b.s. excuse, white men as of right now are on my black list right along with black men, both groups piss me the f*ck off.
"Yeah, when you stop being hostile of Obama's choice of wife!(Saracasm) Alot of you people have a problem accepting Michelle Obama because she's Black. Many of them want to see a white woman as Obama's wife(see Steve Sailer).
So cut it out with your complaint about bw not choosing wm when they're the ones in the wrong about it." This may be a bit off topic but, I just came from Steve Sailer's blog and I actually think people are obsessed with the Obama's (like sexually) it's weirding me out. I read an article about people fantasizing about them. It was really strange, I think all this hoopla about michelle obama is nothing more than sexual jealously personally. I think alot of people envy michelle because she's married to barack and they want that, its so weird to me. I think some wm are obsessed with michelle too, even if they claim they're not, i really think they are... one ww even told me she wished she could be the 3rd Obama daughter...draw your own conclusions.
I dated a couple of Asian girls: (though "Asian doesn't mean much outside of geography). One was Taiwanese and the other Japanese. Fortunately I knew a little about both cultures, but I made a mark effort to learn more. Navigating the different cultural norms took some doing; not to mention, the fact that most of their friends were also first generation. To generalize, they were much different than relationships I've had with western girls: Their norms and values can be quite different from Americans. I'm not of fan of men who go to Asia to hunt for women; however, if that's your thing, it would behoove you to know something of the culture.
So this topic keeps coming up and Dark Moon made an excellent point in another post. White men and men of other races claim that black women are not approachable, but yet when we discuss the phenomenon of asian women and white men, it is often common to find white guys to do what you did, which is familiarize yourself with their culture. If in order for asian women to be approachable and datable you have to do that, why can white men not extend the same effort for black women? Are black women not worth the effort, but other races of women are in most white guys minds?
If in order for asian women to be approachable and datable you have to do that, why can white men not extend the same effort for black women? Are black women not worth the effort, but other races of women are in most white guys minds?
the average white man is afraid of bw for whatever reason. I can't tell you how many times i've known wm to refer to michelle as "masculine," or "overbearing." I think with some wm, its just cowardice and I honestly think they're afraid of bw, its quite sad...
Siddity said, "If in order for asian women to be approachable and datable you have to do that, why can white men not extend the same effort for black women? Are black women not worth the effort, but other races of women are in most white guys minds?" Anon said, "the average white man is afraid of bw for whatever reason. I can't tell you how many times i've known wm to refer to michelle as "masculine," or "overbearing." I think with some wm, its just cowardice and I honestly think they're afraid of bw, its quite sad..."
laromana's response, Siddity and Anon, You've clearly illustrated examples of the REAL REASONS WM/NON-BM IRR'S AREN'T MAINSTREAM- COWARDICE AND RACIST ANTI-BW TENDENCIES. This is clearly seen when a WM/NON-BM is WILLING TO MAKE THE SACRAFICE TO FAMILIARIZE HIMSELF WITH THE LANGUAGE/CULTURE OF OTHER NON-WW BUT REFUSES TO DO THE SAME WITH BW. BW ARE WORTH THE EFFORT BUT THESE WM/NON-BM ARE CHOOSING NOT TO BOTHER BECAUSE THE WOMAN IS BLACK. This is also the case when WM/NON-BM DEMONSTRATE COWARDICE BY INVENTING IRRATIONAL EXCUSES BASED ON LIES, STEREOTYPES, AND MYTHS (BW are "masculine"or "overbearing.") to avoid approaching BW for serious dating and/or marriage IRR's.
On a HOPEFUL note, there are certain WM/NON-BM (Europeans, younger American WM/NON-BM-20's to early 30's, some WM in certain regions of America) who SEE BW AS REAL WOMEN/HUMAN BEINGS AND WORTHY OF BEING PURSUED FOR SERIOUS DATING AND/OR MARRIAGE. BW need to PERMANENTLY REJECT THE WM/NON-BM WHO ARE ANTI-BW HATERS AND EMBRACE THOSE WM/NON-BM WHO WILL TREAT US IN A FAIR, HUMANE, LOVING, NON-RACIST MANNER.
Clarification of Previous Comment: [All Caps used solely for emphasis]
ORIGINAL COMMENT: LaReyna, As a Hispanic WOC, my life experience has been that MOST AMERICAN WM only accept Hispanic women who DON'T HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY OR AT LEAST DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY. THIS IS ANOTHER OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF ANTI-BW RACISM. THIS MADNESS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT BW HAVE, ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE AS GOOD AS WOMEN OF ANY RACE.
CLARIFICATION: As a Hispanic WOC, my life experience has been that MOST AMERICAN WM only accept Hispanic women who DON'T HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY OR AT LEAST DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY. THIS IS ANOTHER OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF ANTI-BW COWARDICE (fear of being seen with a woman who is/looks Black). THIS MADNESS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT BW HAVE, ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE AS GOOD AS WOMEN OF ANY RACE.
This notion of wm/aw relationship is also mentioned in the book, Stuff White People Like. There are 150 things/people that affluent liberal white people like and asian women is on the list.
LaReyna, I believe that what Siddity stated-"Asian women are the safer bet than black women" is the MAIN REASON "affluent liberal white people like and asian women."
There are other affluent WM of varying perspectives WHO AREN'T ANTI-BW COWARDS and will pursue BW for SERIOUS DATING AND/OR MARRIAGE.
i wonder are the wm that typically date aw, more likely to be open to bw or less likely? I find that wm who date aw are just as closed off to bw as wm who only date ww. Typically, i find a wm is either open to dating bw or he's not. I don't even really think its fair to compare asian women/white man couples with black women/white man couples because one is pretty much accepted and the other isn't.
I wouldn't really call that 'acceptance', and I don't think other women of color should aim at being 'desired' in that way. Like the PTSD chick said, that's just being fetishized. That kind of desire focuses on the ethnicity of the woman and the assumed characteristics of said ethnicity, not on the woman herself. So in fact, she'd just be looked at as some exotic object.
That's not acceptance, and that's not what we black women should be crossing our fingers for.
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My results: Your Barack Obama, unsure about your race? I wouldn't pay any attention to this quiz.
It told me I was Bill Clinton. I was cool enough to have an office in Harlem, but still pretty darn white.
See, this is one of the many reasons why I'm not on facebook...dumb ish all around.
lol!You do know the white guy who owns facebook is dating an asian girl?As for when WOC will be treated the same as aw in the eyes of white America,my answer: never.I just dont see it happening any time soon and it probably never will.I've heard too much ridicule and insults towards bw.It seems like as time goes by things get worse for bw.Sometimes I doubt if they see as human!
I took it and it said I was Assata Shakur...
No but seriously, poor Asian women have been fetishized and the Asians deemed the "acceptable" minority. If I was Asian I'd tell them to stick their patronizing condescending attitude up their collective asses. How offensive.
black women get no respect from anyone, lesbianism may be our only hope...
Anon @ 3.35: Bit extreme, but I get what you're saying
"black women get no respect from anyone, lesbianism may be our only hope..."
Eeeew!!!!
Hispanic women are also acceptable to WM as long as she doesn't have Black ancestry or is Puerto Rican/Dominican as well. You're right, other WOC beside nonblack Latina and Asian don't get the same respect and regard white women regularly received on a daily basis.
La Reyna
black women get no respect from anyone,
The question is, truthfully, do black women both individually and as a group, deman respect en masse? If we don't deman it, why would we expect to get t especially when we have seen that the masses are no willing to give it?
Siddity,
I think it's UTTERLY RIDICULOUS THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT BECAUSE ASIAN WOMEN AREN'T DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN IRR'S LIKE BW ARE THAT THIS MEANS ASIAN WOMEN ARE BETTER THAN BW.
BW HAVE, ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE AS GOOD AS WOMEN OF ANY RACE.
WE NEED TO TUNE OUT AND DESTROY THESE SICK, RACIST, ANTI-BW LIES, MYTHS, AND STEREOTYPES (REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANTI-BW RACISTS THINK) AND FOCUS ON PRESENTING THE POSITIVE IMAGE OF THE WM/NON-BM WHO FIND BW ATTRACTIVE, PURSUE SERIOUS IRR'S WITH THEM, AND RESPECT THE HUMANITY, DIGNITY, AND FEMININITY OF BW.
What a weird quiz. C-1, you were Barack Obama?? That's funny because you seem so sure about who you are. Maybe because you could be interpreted as an "Extreme Liberal". Facebook has it's positive merits-- I was able to find several of my old College and H.S. buddies that I haven't seen in 15 years.
"If we don't deman it, why would we expect to get t especially when we have seen that the masses are no willing to give it?"
Exactly. And this will begin with seeing the Black man's plight as not more important than our own. Many times I am in discussion with a Black male about racism, I end up on the consoling side completely forgetting the BW's plight.
BW need to start putting themselves first. This will require some ruthlessness. The black males have other members of society looking out for them while the BW has no one. Its time to take care of ourselves first.
And those with sons, its time for the black man to man up. The victim card is getting quickly irrelevant, they have got to start taking it on the chin and move on. If life threatening incidents of racism flare up, BM should stand up and march for their dignity instead of rioting. This they have to start doing themselves. We see where the BW's contribution has brought us. Black men need to defend their own rights since they can't defend the BW's.
BW need to focus on their own plight. The challenges are great.
"The question is, truthfully, do black women both individually and as a group, deman respect en masse? If we don't deman it, why would we expect to get t especially when we have seen that the masses are no willing to give it?"
Why should we have to demand respect before we receive it? WW/AW/HW automatically receive a certain amount of respect from black and non-black men without demanding it. So why should we have to ask in order to receive the same kind of respect that these women are given?
In regards to the post, I have never understood why your whiteness is defined by whether you have dated an AW or found one attactive. My ex (white male) left me for an Asian chic because she was Ivy educated and I only went to one of those liberal arts college (Wesleyan) which is damn near as good as any Ivy League school. But to each his own i guess.
When will other women of color get this acceptance?
I guess when they behave more like Asian women.
How do Asian women behave? Better yet, how do black women behave?
Why should we have to demand respect before we receive it? WW/AW/HW automatically receive a certain amount of respect from black and non-black men without demanding it. So why should we have to ask in order to receive the same kind of respect that these women are given?
Thank you! Someone said it. I don't see white women DEMANDING RESPECT openly and vocally. Why must we be the only group of women to do this?
In regards to the post, I have never understood why your whiteness is defined by whether you have dated an AW or found one attactive. My ex (white male) left me for an Asian chic because she was Ivy educated and I only went to one of those liberal arts college (Wesleyan) which is damn near as good as any Ivy League school. But to each his own i guess.
The stereotype is that all white guys LOVE asian women. To the point to get with them, they will immerse themselves in asian culture and are willing to go overseas to find them an asian wife. I have yet to hear about white men going en masse to Africa for the women.
Also note that Asian women are the safer bet than black women. I ran into many a man who want want to flirt and do nothing more as they couldn't "bring me home", if they want to come home with a non-white woman, she better be asian.
OK on the whole Ivy League thing, if it isn't Yale or Harvard, we in the south just don't get all involved in it, unless you are from the West Coast. We can manage to become millionaire's here in Texas going to state schools and SMU and Rice. We don't get caught up. My current midwife went to Harvard and the pediatrician I am planning to use also went to Harvard, but to us we kind of think it is neat, but I would have been happy with a doctor who went to UT Southwest if they subscribed to my beliefs about vaccinations. I didn't even know my midwife went there until I saw her diploma on the wall, and then I was confused because I assumed she was a southern woman with her twang and that she had been practicing here in Texas for 20 years. It wasn't a factor.
I guess I don't understand the obsession with the Ivy League school thing.
I wonder how a half asian/ half black woman would do in the dating scene? Probably just be seen as black.
LaReyna,
As a Hispanic WOC, my life experience has been that MOST AMERICAN WM only accept Hispanic women who DON'T HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY OR AT LEAST DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY. THIS IS ANOTHER OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF ANTI-BW RACISM. THIS MADNESS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT BW HAVE, ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE AS GOOD AS WOMEN OF ANY RACE.
ANON#1,
You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT BW SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO DEMAND RESPECT FROM ANY MEN WHEN OTHER NON-BW DON'T HAVE TO. INSTEAD BW SHOULD REJECT DISRESPECT FROM ANY MAN AND ONLY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MEN WHO TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT.
Anon
I dated a couple of Asian girls: (though "Asian doesn't mean much outside of geography). One was Taiwanese and the other Japanese. Fortunately I knew a little about both cultures, but I made a mark effort to learn more. Navigating the different cultural norms took some doing; not to mention, the fact that most of their friends were also first generation. To generalize, they were much different than relationships I've had with western girls: Their norms and values can be quite different from Americans. I'm not of fan of men who go to Asia to hunt for women; however, if that's your thing, it would behoove you to know something of the culture.
"I wonder how a half asian/half black woman would do in the dating scene?"
As far as in general with white American men probably not well.
Most of the Asian women I've seen with white American men have been of the lighter hue (Korean Japanese Chinese etc..)
I haven't seen them with any Asian women of darker hue (Philippian Malaysian etc..)
"As an Hispanic WOC, my life experience has been that MOST AMERICAN WM only accept Hispanic women who DON'T HAVE BLACK ANCESTERY OR ATLEAST DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLACK ANCESTERY"
Yeah I've noticed the same thing. Besides WM it seems this is a general feel with other men too. Even some Hispanic men have a tendency to only pick lighter skinned Hispanic women.
It's really bad in the media. The white looking Hispanic women seem to be worshiped *cough cough* Eva Longoria to name one.
I'm willing to bet if she was a Black looking Hispanic woman she would get completely ignored.
The fact of the matter is that
ASIAN WOMEN ARE NOT BETTER THAN BW
OR ANY OTHER RACE OF WOMEN,
THEY ARE JUST NOT
DISCRIMINATED AGAINST (BY MOST
MEN IN AMERICA) LIKE BW ARE.
White men are discriminated against by most black women.
anomynous said:
"White men are discriminated against by most black women."
_________________
Yeah, when you stop being hostile of Obama's choice of wife!(Saracasm)
Alot of you people have a problem accepting Michelle Obama because she's Black. Many of them want to see a white woman as Obama's wife(see Steve Sailer).
So cut it out with your complaint about bw not choosing wm when they're the ones in the wrong about it.
And what if BW are never accepted by WM as wives? Then what?
ANON SAID,
"White men are discriminated against by most black women."
LAROMANA'S RESPONSE,
In my life experience in America, I have KNOWN MANY BW (African American, Afro Latinas, African BW, Caribbean BW, etc. )WHO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OPEN TO/INTERESTED IN IRR'S WITH WM/NON-BM.
BW ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LOWER NUMBER OF WM/BW COUPLES AS COMPARED TO OTHER IRR'S. AFTER ALL, IRR'S IN AMERICA WERE LEGALIZED AS A RESULT OF A WM/BW COUPLE (THE LOVINGS) IN THE EARLY 60's.
The FACT IS (THOUGH MANY TRY TO DENY IT) THAT THE MAIN OBSTACLE THESE BW HAVE FACED TO SERIOUS DATING AND/OR MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MOST AMERICAN WM/NON-BM ARE THE RACIST ANTI-BW TENDEDENCIES OF THESE MEN.
IN AMERICA, MOST (NOT ALL) WM/NON-BM WILL PURSUE SERIOUS DATING AND/OR MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ANY NON-WW AS LONG AS SHE ISN'T A BW.
Siddity, why do you think that a woman's value lies in if a certain percentage of wm want to date her or not? You seem kind of obsessed with white men and status if you ask me. Shouldn't you just worry about what your husband wants? And you're almost assuming that most bw want a white man to begin with.Since MOST bw don't want a wm would you say wm are seen as less valuable?lol
Sid, I love your pitty parties.lol
Jess,
For someone who hates my blog and cannot stand me, you continue you to repeatedly post to this blog? Why torture yourself? Why not go elsewhere?
Did you even actually read the comments, or were the words too big for you to comprehend?
sid, why the pic with the wm/bw/biracial child? Are you guilty of putting wm on the pedestal you accuse Evia of? Hmmm.If people are people why not put a same race couple w/child, of any race, as your profile. I mean we are all human right?
And you really seem to be envious of all the wm asian women can pull. why is that? lol.why are you so obsessed with wm and who they are dating? Does who wm want affect your selfesteem?lol
sid, why the pic with the wm/bw/biracial child? Are you guilty of putting wm on the pedestal you accuse Evia of?
OK, let me see, that would be more representative of my family. I am knocked up. I am black, my husband is white, so naturally when I create a family it would resemble a family of a white man with a black woman. This has nothing to do with putting white men on pedestals. Explaining the issues and concerns of IR with folks has nothing to do with putting folks on a pedestal. Of course anything above a second grade reading level is hard for you to understand. Now go play with Evia and her cohorts and leave my blog alone.
oh and it is "pity", not "pitty"
So cut it out with your complaint about bw not choosing wm when they're the ones in the wrong about it.
I second that, I'm tired of that b.s. excuse, white men as of right now are on my black list right along with black men, both groups piss me the f*ck off.
"Yeah, when you stop being hostile of Obama's choice of wife!(Saracasm)
Alot of you people have a problem accepting Michelle Obama because she's Black. Many of them want to see a white woman as Obama's wife(see Steve Sailer).
So cut it out with your complaint about bw not choosing wm when they're the ones in the wrong about it."
This may be a bit off topic but,
I just came from Steve Sailer's blog and I actually think people are obsessed with the Obama's (like sexually) it's weirding me out. I read an article about people fantasizing about them. It was really strange, I think all this hoopla about michelle obama is nothing more than sexual jealously personally. I think alot of people envy michelle because she's married to barack and they want that, its so weird to me. I think some wm are obsessed with michelle too, even if they claim they're not, i really think they are... one ww even told me she wished she could be the 3rd Obama daughter...draw your own conclusions.
I dated a couple of Asian girls: (though "Asian doesn't mean much outside of geography). One was Taiwanese and the other Japanese. Fortunately I knew a little about both cultures, but I made a mark effort to learn more. Navigating the different cultural norms took some doing; not to mention, the fact that most of their friends were also first generation. To generalize, they were much different than relationships I've had with western girls: Their norms and values can be quite different from Americans. I'm not of fan of men who go to Asia to hunt for women; however, if that's your thing, it would behoove you to know something of the culture.
So this topic keeps coming up and Dark Moon made an excellent point in another post. White men and men of other races claim that black women are not approachable, but yet when we discuss the phenomenon of asian women and white men, it is often common to find white guys to do what you did, which is familiarize yourself with their culture. If in order for asian women to be approachable and datable you have to do that, why can white men not extend the same effort for black women? Are black women not worth the effort, but other races of women are in most white guys minds?
If in order for asian women to be approachable and datable you have to do that, why can white men not extend the same effort for black women? Are black women not worth the effort, but other races of women are in most white guys minds?
the average white man is afraid of bw for whatever reason. I can't tell you how many times i've known wm to refer to michelle as "masculine," or "overbearing." I think with some wm, its just cowardice and I honestly think they're afraid of bw, its quite sad...
omg, that steve sailer guy is an ass.
Siddity said,
"If in order for asian women to be approachable and datable you have to do that, why can white men not extend the same effort for black women? Are black women not worth the effort, but other races of women are in most white guys minds?"
Anon said,
"the average white man is afraid of bw for whatever reason. I can't tell you how many times i've known wm to refer to michelle as "masculine," or "overbearing." I think with some wm, its just cowardice and I honestly think they're afraid of bw, its quite sad..."
laromana's response,
Siddity and Anon,
You've clearly illustrated examples of the REAL REASONS WM/NON-BM IRR'S AREN'T MAINSTREAM-
COWARDICE AND RACIST ANTI-BW TENDENCIES.
This is clearly seen when a WM/NON-BM is WILLING TO MAKE THE SACRAFICE TO FAMILIARIZE HIMSELF WITH THE LANGUAGE/CULTURE OF OTHER NON-WW BUT REFUSES TO DO THE SAME WITH BW. BW ARE WORTH THE EFFORT BUT THESE WM/NON-BM ARE CHOOSING NOT TO BOTHER BECAUSE THE WOMAN IS BLACK. This is also the case when WM/NON-BM DEMONSTRATE COWARDICE BY INVENTING IRRATIONAL EXCUSES BASED ON LIES, STEREOTYPES, AND MYTHS (BW are "masculine"or "overbearing.") to avoid approaching BW for serious dating and/or marriage IRR's.
Why do you "shout" constantly Iaromana? It makes you look like the stereotypical angry black woman.
Anon,
I use Caps to emphasize key points because the comments format doesn't allow me to bold them.
I'd appreciate not having you misrepresent me with a racist stereotype.
[Disclaimer: All caps used soley for emphasis]
On a HOPEFUL note, there are certain WM/NON-BM (Europeans, younger American WM/NON-BM-20's to early 30's, some WM in certain regions of America) who SEE BW AS REAL WOMEN/HUMAN BEINGS AND WORTHY OF BEING PURSUED FOR SERIOUS DATING AND/OR MARRIAGE. BW need to PERMANENTLY REJECT THE WM/NON-BM WHO ARE ANTI-BW HATERS AND EMBRACE THOSE WM/NON-BM WHO WILL TREAT US IN A FAIR, HUMANE, LOVING, NON-RACIST MANNER.
Clarification of Previous Comment:
[All Caps used solely for emphasis]
ORIGINAL COMMENT:
LaReyna,
As a Hispanic WOC, my life experience has been that MOST AMERICAN WM only accept Hispanic women who DON'T HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY OR AT LEAST DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY. THIS IS ANOTHER OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF ANTI-BW RACISM. THIS MADNESS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT BW HAVE, ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE AS GOOD AS WOMEN OF ANY RACE.
CLARIFICATION:
As a Hispanic WOC, my life experience has been that MOST AMERICAN WM only accept Hispanic women who DON'T HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY OR AT LEAST DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLACK ANCESTRY. THIS IS ANOTHER OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF ANTI-BW COWARDICE (fear of being seen with a woman who is/looks Black). THIS MADNESS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT BW HAVE, ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE AS GOOD AS WOMEN OF ANY RACE.
This notion of wm/aw relationship is also mentioned in the book, Stuff White People Like. There are 150 things/people that affluent liberal white people like and asian women is on the list.
Stephanie
LaReyna,
I believe that what Siddity stated-"Asian women are the safer bet than black women" is the MAIN REASON "affluent liberal white people like and asian women."
There are other affluent WM of varying perspectives WHO AREN'T ANTI-BW COWARDS and will pursue BW for SERIOUS DATING AND/OR MARRIAGE.
i wonder are the wm that typically date aw, more likely to be open to bw or less likely? I find that wm who date aw are just as closed off to bw as wm who only date ww. Typically, i find a wm is either open to dating bw or he's not. I don't even really think its fair to compare asian women/white man couples with black women/white man couples because one is pretty much accepted and the other isn't.
I wouldn't really call that 'acceptance', and I don't think other women of color should aim at being 'desired' in that way. Like the PTSD chick said, that's just being fetishized. That kind of desire focuses on the ethnicity of the woman and the assumed characteristics of said ethnicity, not on the woman herself. So in fact, she'd just be looked at as some exotic object.
That's not acceptance, and that's not what we black women should be crossing our fingers for.
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