2009-04-23

The Fear of Minority Rule

“I’ve gotten to be a terrible pessimist about things. Have you read The Rise of the Colored Empires by this man Goddard?” They hadn’t. “Well, it’s a fine book, and everybody ought to read it. The idea is if we don’t look out the white race will be—will be utterly submerged. It’s all scientific stuff; it’s been proved.”

Tom Buchanan, The Great Gatsby


“Colored migration is a universal peril, menacing every part of the white world.”

Louis Stoddard, The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy


"Today, largely because of immigration, there is no majority race in Hawaii or Houston or New York City. Within five years, there will be no majority race in our largest state, California. In a little more than 50 years, there will be no majority race in the United States. No other nation in history has gone through demographic change of this magnitude in so short a time ... [These immigrants] are energizing our culture and broadening our vision of the world. They are renewing our most basic values and reminding us all of what it truly means to be American."

Bill Clinton


“Mr. Clinton assured us that it will be a better America when we are all minorities and realize true ‘diversity.’ Well, those students [at Portland State] are going to find out, for they will spend their golden years in a Third World America.”

-Pat Buchanan, Death of the West


For the last decade, at least here in Texas there is often discussion of Latinos becoming the majority population here in Texas. For black folks we don't fear it so much, we are already a minority. Not to mention, for once the Latino population takes away the venom and hatred white folks have against blacks, mad that we dont "get over slavery", and sit around complaining, as if that is the only issue we have to be mad about. Like Jim Crow and systematic racism we were supposed to be ok with and continue to be ok with. I digress. Sorry. Also blacks and whites in Texas can usually bond together through racism to say why they don't like hispanics or as we here in Texas call them, Mexicans. It doesn't matter what part of the world you are from hispanic = Mexican.

I realized for white folks it might be a whole different perspective. I often hear about how in Texas whites are becoming a minority and the first thing out of many a white Texan's mouth is per this woman on twitter:

Now that I'm a minority in Texas, where's my scholarship and grants?


Yes, Jenniferscott25, all us negroes and minorities (excluding asians, as they are all hard working and exempt from affirmative action hiring practices in the minds of most) get free stuff. I didn't take out a loan to pay for my college, I also got in with a 1.50 GPA from my high school, they just let us get into any college of our choice, regardless of our GPA. FYI Jennifer, we don't have race based admissions in Texas universities anymore, but now whites like you are pissy because Todd can't be a legacy at UT (hook 'em horns!!!) because his GPA wasn't as high as it should have been to get in. Seriously, and again: Hook 'Em Horns!!!!!!

This is typical in Texas, which is why I get frustrated often with white people. I think often times than not many whites think that blacks and other minorities get things handed to them, not ever thinking once, that they get privileges I could never be privy to, and just because they aren't "on the books", doesn't mean they don't exist and aren't exploited and abused at the detriment of others.

I think there is always a fear if the unknown. Once a few years back, me and the husband were talking about race, and I was rallying against the white power structure as per usual, and he responded with, if blacks were ruling, they would do the same things whites do and did. I then proceeded to curse him out and get silent on him, thinking that is the most racist thing he has ever said to me. I still think it is. The assumption is if whites lose their power, minorities, blacks in particular set out the revenge on whites. Call this racist, but my mother once said that blacks could never get to the level of cruel that whites did to us in America. We could never treat them as livestock, we couldn't rape them and then sell the offspring to someone else to further exploit, we couldn't see them as less intelligent, ignorant, and "beneath us". I think to an extent this is true. Not the cruel part, but the fact that if a minority "rule" was ever to take place we simply couldn't do that because of the existing history as it stands now. The white power structure is in place, and the stays in the minds of people. Even if the white majority were to go away, no one is going to question white people's intelligence as a group because the level of intelligence is based upon the white power structure. Minorities use these very tests to determine our own intelligence. No one is going to equate them with being a cow, chicken, or donkey, because we know that to not be the case. Even with more minorities in the country, overwhelmingly white people have positions of power, be it political, corporate, and financial. Whites run it, they have the money, they have the power. They are at an advantage. Am I saying all white folks are rich and in power. No. What I do believe is that those in power, they continue to relate and put people in power who look like themselves, which means if they hold power now, they will continue to hold power.

This assumption also proves to me that whites are more aware of their privilege than most let on. They pretend it doesn't exist, but yet when threatened by an increase in a population of minorities, they fear losing it.

Another thing that is telling, is that even though it is said whites are becoming a minority. It is never said who they are becoming a minority to. Yes whites can make up less than half of a cities population, but just because minorities make over half of that population, it doesn't mean that there are all from the same group.

When we look at minorities we could be looking at asians, hispanics, blacks, and this brings up another question, are biracial people part of the this "minority", even if they are half white? Contrary to popular belief, not all us minorities get along. I think the worst racism I experienced came from hispanics, I know they don't like black people. I know asians tend not to like us either, I can't see either group aligning themselves with the "weak race that became slaves". Remember Vicente Fox's appeal to business leaders:

There is no doubt that Mexicans, filled with dignity, willingness and ability to work, are doing jobs that not even blacks want to do there in the United States.


Yes because all us blacks do low level jobs. Oh wait, I forgot we were all poor and not willing to work, instead preferring welfare. My bad Vicente Fox. I again and as per usual, digress.

I will also be quick to mention many times blacks don't want to align themselves with those who took advantage of our struggle to even come to this country and then try to look down upon us. Asian, hispanic, hell even non American blacks. We minorities aren't even cohesive within our own groups. Call a Cuban a Mexican or a Mexican a Guatemalan. Call a Korean person Chinese, and a Chinese person Japanese. Even within groups people stereotype and dislike each other.

I just think that most of the headlines of "Whites becoming the minority" is a fear tactic, that works really well, even to the most "progressive" of whites. Yes the number of whites are dwindling in certain areas, but it does not mean the group of minorities will collectively come together to get their revenge upon whites or even take away the white power structure, which continues to be more powerful than all the minorities put together.

44 comments:

dani said...

Siditty said:

"The assumption is if whites lose their power, minorities, blacks in particular set out the revenge on whites."

I don't think that is going to happen neither. Contrary to belief black people are a bit nicer than what we are perceived to be. Call this racist too, but me and mom was watching The Trumpet Awards and we saw that evangelist Paula White received an award for her humanitarian work. My mom said, that black folks are too nice and forgiving. We just give out awards just because some white person acknowledge us. I laughed at it because it was true. You know white folks don't give out awards all willy nilly like that to us black folks. We got to go though hoops and hurdles to prove ourselves to be deserving. It's all strategic if they do give black person an award.

A.Smith said...

Your assertion at the end that this is a scare tactic is spot on. The one thing our country is good at doing is scaring the living daylights out of white people (they scare so easily).

I say this: Any white person who references an idea that if minorities ever rule they'll have done to them what's been done to us is acknowledging that a)White folks DO (emphasis on the present) some messed up stuff to minorities and b) That they are afforded some privileges that us minorities are not, simply because we're not white. The sad part is, I know they don't see that.

I agree with what your mom said. I know a guy who feels the same way. We gave Bill Clinton the first black prez award, we acknowledge Justin Timberlake as a legitimate contributor to what is mostly black music... and the list goes on and on. We're dying for white folks to acknowledge us positively and we lap it up whenever they do.

Sandra said...

I have found that if you really want to see how "progressive" or "liberal" a non-minority friend is, bring up immigration or affirmative action. You will get your answer real quick!

Anonymous said...

"Once a few years back, me and the husband were talking about race, and I was rallying against the white power structure as per usual, and he responded with, if blacks were ruling, they would do the same things whites do and did. I then proceeded to curse him out and get silent on him, thinking that is the most racist thing he has ever said to me. I still think it is."

Wait how is that racist?
Groups of people have exploited their power in history for their own gain over and over. It's all about the timing in history. I think you just misunderstood him.

I don't read that as him saying if blacks or whoever took over tomorrow they would do the same but hundreds of years ago if they had the same opportunities they probably would have taken the same advantages.

Unless you think white people are more evil than other groups.

I hope that makes sense.
I'm not trolling or trying to offend, Apologies if I have done :(

Mr. Noface said...

I agree with Anon. I took your husband's view to mean that had a minority group always been in power in America, they would be enjoying yet denying the same privilage that whites enjoy now. I didn't take it as if "we" took over today that we'd enslave, rape, and kill all the white folks (though that is a fear alot of white people have), just that once "we" tasted power, we'd do anything we could to keep it even if it meant keeping the other guy(s) down. Now I don't believe that such a scenario would be a foregone conclusion, but I don't believe that it is an impossibility either.

I don't buy that Blacks (or any other minority group) is above the same thing that whites do now. We are not inherently more good or more evil than white folks. Given the right situations we are all capable of the same things.

Grata said...

I think South Africa would be a good study of how whites function as a minority.
They do have their challenges too in that system but largely still hold economic power.

"I don't buy that Blacks (or any other minority group) is above the same thing that whites do now. We are not inherently more good or more evil than white folks. Given the right situations we are all capable of the same things."

I believe the same thing. I think it is imperative that those seeking justice seek justice for all. I am completely disillusioned with the Black struggle. The cries of oppression while the same people go ahead and abuse people with in their group based on gender, national origin or skin tone.
I for one now believe the struggle is just out to emancipate the Black male while oppressing the female. So what is the point of BW being part of this struggle.

As long as this continues to be the case I don't wish to see Blacks gain anymore power until they sort out their own inner discrepancies. If you can't take care of your own, you have no business trying to run things on a bigger scale, sorry. And you deserve what ever injustice that comes your way from the outside.

Moviegirl said...

I think if you dissenters look at it from the perspective that if women were to become the leaders of the world, would they be different than men. In two words, yes and no. No if they just insert themselves in the already set up patriarchal, hetero sexist paradigm. They would just reproduce the same affects as the men in charge. There was an article, maybe two years ago in the NYT magazine about some African Woman (sorry but the country escapes me) that they termed or the country's people termed, the mister of rape. She was sanctioning rape as a means of terrorism and control. She proved no different than the men who were in power before her.

However, if we were to change the way the system is run; no more zero sum game, then there would probably be a change and that change would most likely come from what we would call an oppressed group of individuals hoping not to replicate the mistakes of their predecessors.

Boom said...

I agree with Dani. Black folks are way too inclusive. We're always including and inviting people into our community who exclude us from their own.

Anonymous said...

this scares me because if the most "liberal," of white folks can get sucked into this mentality, then anyone can. This is how groups become polarized and turn against eachother.

thelady said...

This assumption also proves to me that whites are more aware of their privilege than most let on. They pretend it doesn't exist, but yet when threatened by an increase in a population of minorities, they fear losing it.the same white people who swear racism ended in the 70s are the first one to be terrified of minorities taking over and getting revenge
take revenge for what exactly?

they are indirectly admitting that racism still exists and minorities have a reason to be mad about it

and Yes I'm sick of non blacks assuming my life is some sort of constant hand out because I couldn't possibly be smart enough to get into a university that excepted 90% of applicants or get a job on my own

Zek J Evets said...

i think i agree with your husband, siditty... we humans are capable of terrible things, motivated by powerfully hurtful emotions.

if say, blacks became a majority, and whites a minority, there really isn't any guarantee that they wouldn't "take revenge". silly as it sounds, these things actually do happen. i mean, off the top of my head there's the rwandan genocide where the hutu took out generations of anger, hate, fear, and oppression from the tutsi. and these are people who, for all intents and purposes, look basically the same. (which just goes to show that you don't need racism to destroy the soul of man.)

whether this would actually happen in the U.S. seems far-fetched, if only because there are plenty of other racial/ethnic groups to contend with. but i always think the worst is possible, just to be on the safe side of history where everyone assumed the best, then got war and destruction. (i.e. neville chamberlain's appeasement policy, or the great chicago fire.)

it is inevitable that whites will no longer be the majority in this country. they weren't to begin with, and it seems fitting that our country so praised for being "the melting pot" should become truly mixed.

as for the "white power structure", dunno if you mean the country-clubs or what, but once whites are no longer a majority, you'll see a lot more different faces holding positions of power, whether in public office or the private sector; if for no other reason than because of numerically imposed equality. but in the meantime, i don't really see a "white power structure" so much as just a power structure. the establishment is mostly white because the country started off mostly whites IN POWER. this is obviously becoming less of a reality however. now, minorities are just as capable of getting power as the whites, or whatever the majority/group in control is.

"which is why I get frustrated often with white people." might wanna be careful siditty... know you're not a racist, but sometimes you do seem to generalize about white people more often than i do about black people. it's a little scary when the preacher needs his/her own sermons.

just don't like you thinking that white people are too stupid to see the obvious truths you do, and that it's totally based on our feeling superior in our whiteness. maybe in texas, or the deep south you'll see it, but the rest of the world isn't like that at all. most of us are just plain folks, not concerned with prejudice or privilege because we're too busy just living our lives.

uglyblackjohn said...

Look at towns that are mostly non-white.
Are whites hanged on the daily?
Nope.
This is just a fear tactic to solidify white rule when the demographics change.

SOILA. said...

How was little Great Britain capable of colonizing so many countries all over the world back in the day? Their population wasn’t even as big as it is today but somehow they were able to colonize (which is essentially enslaving) so many countries world over. Germany, Portugal, France were also able to do the same thing. All these small countries in Europe would manage somehow to send a number of their men to enslave masses of people in their own lands. This is all the white's who are paranoid of "losing" power and becoming a minority group need to look at. South Africa is still under white rule even after Independence. Hell, most of Africa is still under white rule even after years of independence. Zimbabwe is what happens to the countries that decide they want to free themselves of “the white man choke hold”. The whites that are paranoid should relax and take a look at the history of slavery and colonialism.

And, yes, black folks are much nicer, accepting, and forgiving than lots of people would like to think. Had they been met with hostility in Africa, maybe, just maybe Slavery and Colonialism wouldn’t have happened.


“When the White-man came to Kenya (Africa) holding a Bible, he found us with our land. He told us to close our eyes to pray. When we opened our eyes after prayers, we were holding the Bible while he held our land…..” - Jomo Kenyatta.

tasha212 said...

I think that if black people were able to become the majority, I don't think that anything would change. The white power structure would remain in place. Also, as it stands today, black people, both American born and foreign born, tend to be overly accepting of other groups, even to our detriment. We have a tendency to save our cruelist and most sadistic behavior for those who look like us.

Dark Moon said...

Look at towns that are mostly non-white.
Are whites hanged on the daily?
Nope.
This is just a fear tactic to solidify white rule when the demographics change.’
I tend to agree with this sentiment. Even though many Whites are afraid of all Black spaces, Blacks have never organized with the intent of destroying White people. If anything, sadly we are too wrapped up in killing each other to be a threat to killing off and wiping White people from the face of the earth. Contrast with the widely high uptick in gun purchases—in which the majority of them have been White males. The Minute Men—who are the ones that make up the majority of these groups—White males. How many Black townships such as Rosewood were razed to the ground due to race? Can anyone find an equivalent to Chmpiout.com in which the tagline reads: First off Welcome from everyone here at Chimpout.com we welcome you to our community of bashing the beast otherwise known as the N***er or nnnforum.org in which one of their forums includes: Dark Crime - U.S.A. Black crime, ''TNB'', recent NEWS headlines about racial murders, rapes, robberies, race riots... You have many Blogs and websites from Black people who talk about race, about white racism, etc but just those two examples given above do not have a Black equivalent. Again, you will probably see Blacks hating on each other before you see the virulent hate and racism that is exhibited on just those two and that doesn’t even include stormfront.

Thus, Whites have nothing to worry about. Asians and Hispanics despise Black people anyway and would never unite with Blacks in any shape or form. In addition, since many Hispanics may already identify as White and marry White spouses, this will only add to non-Whites assimilating and becoming White which would increase White numbers. In addition, Asians are right or wrong considered honorary Whites, thus they too will be assimilated and since China will soon eclipse the West—then it would make it all the more advantageous for Whites to align with Asians. So again, who is going to exterminate or destroy the White race? No one. There will still be Blond Blue eyed people and there will still be groups who will strive to become white.

SOILA. said...

tasha212 sd:"Also, as it stands today, black people, both American born and foreign born, tend to be overly accepting of other groups, even to our detriment. We have a tendency to save our cruelist and most sadistic behavior for those who look like us."I totally agree.

Inda Lauryn said...

A few years ago I worked as a research assistant for a professor writing a book about the census and multiracial identity. You're right about the whole "white's becoming a minority" thing as a scare tactic. Incidentally, the "conflict" between blacks and Latinos being the most populous minority was also played up.

The one thing that was confirmed for me as I did this research was that there is truly "something" about being black. I'm not trying to downplay or disregard the struggles of other minorities, but something about being black gets to people. If Hilary had won the election, do you think so many whites would be looking into white supremacist groups right now?

I tried to work through some of these issues when I wrote an e-book for my 30th birthday. There are some things about other cultures that I admire (black from non-American cultures as well as non-black), but I'm also aware that not everyone has an open mind when it comes to dealing with us and may still feel superior.

You bring up so many good points in this blog, but I won't go into all of them. Just thought I'd share my two cents if it's even worth that much.

FunkyStarkitty50 said...

I agree that there is a fear of White people losing their power and status. I have had the opportunity to befriend some White South Africans and they talked about how they had to flee because the Black South Africans burned down their farms and killed some of their friends or relatives in retaliation for everything that had gone on over the years. They talked about how they didn't see how it was their fault that they had to pay for what the government did and the land was rightfully theirs, etc. I guess it helps to listen to both sides. Although it is easy to demonize White people and put them all into one category. There are some rational White people who want sincere and open relations with us.

lormarie said...

I believe the same thing. I think it is imperative that those seeking justice seek justice for all. I am completely disillusioned with the Black struggle. The cries of oppression while the same people go ahead and abuse people with in their group based on gender, national origin or skin tone.
I for one now believe the struggle is just out to emancipate the Black male while oppressing the female. So what is the point of BW being part of this struggle.--Grata

Co-sign 100%. I've become increasingly gender centric in my worldview. I also do not believe that blacks would utilize power any better than other races would. Barack Obama and the black South African leadership maybe positive examples, but Mugabe and Idi Amin are two negatives. Humanitarians come in all colors just like despots.

Siditty said...

Call this racist too, but me and mom was watching The Trumpet Awards and we saw that evangelist Paula White received an award for her humanitarian work. My mom said, that black folks are too nice and forgiving. We just give out awards just because some white person acknowledge us. I often find this to be the case. Somebody acts like they might be interested in us, and we get all giddy. That has to explain the Justin Timberlake phenomenon. He blatantly left Janet Jackson hanging and black folks still love him as if he is the prodigal son.

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Any white person who references an idea that if minorities ever rule they'll have done to them what's been done to us is acknowledging that a)White folks DO (emphasis on the present) some messed up stuff to minorities and b) That they are afforded some privileges that us minorities are not, simply because we're not white. The sad part is, I know they don't see that.I definitely agree. Some don't want to acknowledge privilege, but they don't want it taken away either.

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I have found that if you really want to see how "progressive" or "liberal" a non-minority friend is, bring up immigration or affirmative action. You will get your answer real quick!If they are truly liberal or progressive, their views more than likely will align with mine. What I find living in Republican land, that I know very few liberals or progressives.

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Wait how is that racist?
Groups of people have exploited their power in history for their own gain over and over. It's all about the timing in history. I think you just misunderstood him.
He assumed that if blacks were given power, enslaving and segregating whites would be the normal agenda. I don't think so. Given our recent history, whites have never been compared to livestock, assumed less intelligent, nor have they been considered criminals and whores, the white power structure as it exists, would still exist, even under minority rule.

That is why it is racist, at least to me that he assumed if blacks were in power they would discriminate on the same level whites did and have done.

hundreds of years ago if they had the same opportunities they probably would have taken the same advantages.History says we haven't had those opportunities, so there is really no way to know, and I am saying if blacks did come into power, given the history we do have, it wouldn't be like that.

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I didn't take it as if "we" took over today that we'd enslave, rape, and kill all the white folks (though that is a fear alot of white people have), just that once "we" tasted power, we'd do anything we could to keep it even if it meant keeping the other guy(s) down. See I did, but of course I find it odd that white people are now scared of white slavery because a half black/half white man became President.

I don't buy that Blacks (or any other minority group) is above the same thing that whites do now. We are not inherently more good or more evil than white folks. Given the right situations we are all capable of the same things.I agree.

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this scares me because if the most "liberal," of white folks can get sucked into this mentality, then anyone can. This is how groups become polarized and turn against eachother.It is scary, but it is truth. Think about it, how many Germans were really for exterminating Jews? How many just say silent and allowed it, because the propaganda told them lies and misconceptions.

Grata said...

"Barack Obama and the black South African leadership maybe positive examples, but Mugabe and Idi Amin are two negatives."

The Jury is still out on Black South African Leadership. There are other African countries you don't hear in the news tht have sensible leaders. Ghana, Senegal Botswana are some of them.

Africa is a work in progress.
We have to look at things in their historical context.
First we need to see what drove the development of the first world and how they got where they are and what they went though. Unlike popular belief, it isn't racial Superiority. Jared Diamond gives a convincing argument with his book, Guns, Germs and Steel.
The West in its growing years was no different from what Africa is today. But people like to think they are more special. Even the simplest similarities are quite astounding, like tropical diseases like Typhoid and Cholera. These killed people in Europe too. But looking at Europe now you could never imagine thathappened.

The biggest challenge to blacks is what they make of their own potential. If you listen to what the dominant culture tells you, you are doomed. Only you can determine how far you go.

thelady said...

Grata makes a great point. The West is so critical of African nations but when you realize that most of them have only been independent since the 1970's or later it is obviously an unfair comparison. It is only within the last few decades that many have been in control of their own resources and government.

Jamdown said...

Given that Whites around the world (Europe, North America, etc.) are having less children than the developed world, the White population will decrease everywhere. I heard on NPR that by 2050, Italians will decrease to 14% of their current population due to the low birthrate. That's why France practically pays women to have babies.

And no, minorities will not treat Whites the way they have treated us. What happened in Zimbabwe where the Black government kicked out the White farmers for political purposes is unusual.

By the way, do African Americans have a stereotype that non-AA Blacks look down on them? I am not AA, but I don't look down on anyone.

Grata said...

"It is only within the last few decades that many have been in control of their own resources and government."

According to Jared Diamond, Unlike the rest of the world, Sub Saharan Africa has always been isolated. What drove Human development was the long interractions of various groups. Alot of this happened over thousands of years between the West, the Middle East and the East. Sub Saharan Africa was cut off by the Sahara. Latin America had a similar problem.
Even then The West Africans later on reached across to the Meditterranean and South America. There are many factors including weather, latitude, domesticable wild life, plants etc that put Africa at a huge disadvantage to the rest of the world. For example Diamond says, you could domesticate a wild horse but can not domesticate a Zebra, not even the African elephant. those animals have a different temperement.
So while the rest of the world had thousands of years of interraction, Africans were not exposed until a few Hundred years ago. (This is a rough summary og Diamond's thesisIn inner East Africa).

The first white person got into inner East Africa in 1862? Imagine that.
But now with Air travel and technology, there is contact with other parts of the world and this shows in the speed of growth occuring there.
The Indians, Arabs, Orientals, Europeans all interracted easily and borrowed ideas from each other. The Africans were blocked by the Sahara desert. All they could do was to keep moving South into the continent. With no interraction with anyone else other than themselves. Now that the world is open, just watch.

Grata said...

"By the way, do African Americans have a stereotype that non-AA Blacks look down on them? I am not AA, but I don't look down on anyone."

This stereotype is alive and well. I really see it as an excuse to hate foreign blacks. Claim they look down on you then attack them for that. Its a self fulfilling prophesy, you think I look down on you, then you attack me verberly, I then will really look down on you and want nothing to do with you.

If you type into youtube Africans Vs African Americans, you will be bombarded by a whole range of people insulting Africans with the occasional African writing back trading insults.

And the argument seems to be the same. Its as if someone wrote how to insult Africans and passed the script around.
There are even some blogs that are for the "struggle" that do the same thing. And one wonders why some of us want nothing to do with it.

Anonymous said...

"And the argument seems to be the same. Its as if someone wrote how to insult Africans and passed the script around.
There are even some blogs that are for the "struggle" that do the same thing. And one wonders why some of us want nothing to do with it."

I hate this to no end. Hello, black people on a worldwide scale are getting screwed over and we need to come together and support eachother so we can get back on our feet. if we allow ourselves to be divided/conquered we fail...

Anonymous said...

We are just to nice!?
Thats actually offensive. Nice, really? When blacks bear the brunt of survival, we are too "nice".

Grata said...

"offensive. Nice, really? When blacks bear the brunt of survival, we are too "nice"."

Like someone else said, Blacks maybe nicer to Whites than they are to each other.

jamesthegirl28 said...

This:
"Yes, Jenniferscott25, all us negroes and minorities . . . get free stuff. I didn't take out a loan to pay for my college, I also got in with a 1.50 GPA from my high school, they just let us get into any college of our choice, regardless of our GPA. FYI Jennifer, we don't have race based admissions in Texas universities anymore, but now whites like you are pissy because Todd can't be a legacy at UT (hook 'em horns!!!) because his GPA wasn't as high as it should have been to get in."

is the story of my life.

Ok, not really. But it is the story of life here at Notre Dame (I'm a sophomore). As part of Freshman year curriculum we have to take a "Diversity Day" 2-day course, and the ignorant things people said in there had my eyes rolling to the back of my head. I always wonder how people know that "my friend Bobby didn't get in here, but some (insert Black or Hispanic) kid with lower grades did." Did they go to the registrar's office and search through the grades? It just pisses me off the audacity people have, and people here don't seem to (or pretend not to) realize what they are implying. My GPA is over a 3.9 on a 4.0 scale, so I won't hesitate to embarrass someone if they want to get stupid with me. Great post. :-)

PS. It's only 2% Black here, so I'm not sure how these people are so sure that "Bobby" would have gotten one of the 200 spots we affirmative action recipients are taking up.

Truth B. Told said...

Yes, Jenniferscott25, all us negroes and minorities (excluding asians, as they are all hard working and exempt from affirmative action hiring practices in the minds of most) get free stuff. I didn't take out a loan to pay for my college, I also got in with a 1.50 GPA from my high school, they just let us get into any college of our choice, regardless of our GPA.

You captured the mindset well. Except you forgot about the guaranteed 6 figure starting salary that will come immediately after graduation, LOL.

Grata said...

Hey Sid,

I just saw those posts over at my blog with C1 on the roast. Now I think I know why he is on a break.

Siditty said...

I just saw those posts over at my blog with C1 on the roast. Now I think I know why he is on a break.Those comments took place in March, I didn't see anything until a few days ago, neither did others, and he went on break before then. He went on "leave" before anyone went over there roasting him. Maybe he had to take a step back, but seriously some of those comments were going to rub folks the wrong way, and typically aren't the comments from a guy dating IR. I think he knew that. He knew it wasn't going to go well.

I don't agree with him at all, and it is reminiscent of a Steve Sailer. Hell Sean Hannity had to separate himself from Sailer he is that bad. I honestly thought intellectual racism was dead, but I guess not, of course people will assume that I'm being anti-PC when I say that.

Siditty said...

if say, blacks became a majority, and whites a minority, there really isn't any guarantee that they wouldn't "take revenge".

The chances are slim to none, like I said, there is no pseudo science proving that blacks are superior to whites, there is no history of blacks colonizing the world and creating a white slave trade. There is no overwhelming financial and money power of black people. In comparison to whites, we still make less on average. These things can't and wouldn't change overnight. There is no way, even if whites were a minority, all the non whites would form an alliance for the sake of making the white man miserable. Not to mention they still hold power, if we were to "take over" they would have the money and resources to fight, which is what would definitely happen. Whites have been the minority in the majority of places they held power, they had the technology and weapons to keep the majority down and create an upper class that included themselves almost exclusively. Why would it be any different in America?


they weren't to begin with, and it seems fitting that our country so praised for being "the melting pot" should become truly mixed.

I think most whites only want to melt so much.


now, minorities are just as capable of getting power as the whites, or whatever the majority/group in control is.


I wish it to be true, but I don't see it happening and stats tend to back me up on this. Asians and blacks with the same level of education and work experience are still making less and don't advance career wise as easily as white folks in America. People in power tend to stick and work well with people who look like themselves, they will continue to do that, and with white people being in power, they will continue to be in power because they will groom and focus on those they like, which is usually someone of the same race and gender. That is life. I think the talk of "revenge" is a scare tactic as well. Whites are scared shitless because they know exactly what they hold, poor, rich or otherwise, to be white in America is a luxury compared to being non-white and no one wants to let that luxury go.


it's a little scary when the preacher needs his/her own sermons.

I acknowledge I have racist views at times, I think that most people are racist or prejudiced, they just don't want to acknowledge it.


just don't like you thinking that white people are too stupid to see the obvious truths you do, and that it's totally based on our feeling superior in our whiteness.

I'm sorry, but from my experience, most white folks don't get it, and even if I say it, they still don't get it, and dismiss it as me being a radical black racist. Maybe the rest of the world is different, but in Texas it isn't, that is my reality living here.


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This is all the white's who are paranoid of "losing" power and becoming a minority group need to look at.

Soila,


I so agree that colonization is proof that white minority rule has been prevalent throughout history.


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I think that if black people were able to become the majority, I don't think that anything would change. The white power structure would remain in place. Also, as it stands today, black people, both American born and foreign born, tend to be overly accepting of other groups, even to our detriment. We have a tendency to save our cruelist and most sadistic behavior for those who look like us.

I agree 100%


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Blacks have never organized with the intent of destroying White people. If anything, sadly we are too wrapped up in killing each other to be a threat to killing off and wiping White people from the face of the earth.

So very true.


I also think sites like chimpout, isteve, and enrollment in non kkk pro-white organizations will increase ten fold. Maybe the KKK will have the ability to increase their numbers back to their hey day of five or six million. I definitely see it happening. I have yet to see the white people suck blog yet, but I know where the "Why Blacks Suck" blog is at.


I see writers like Louis Stoddard, Madison Grant, and Samuel George Morton making a comeback, as well as intellectual racism. Multiculturalism is on the decline and derided by most as PC (I don't know why it is considered PC not to assume everyone is like white folks), it will soon die in favor of this scientific racism.


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I have had the opportunity to befriend some White South Africans and they talked about how they had to flee because the Black South Africans burned down their farms and killed some of their friends or relatives in retaliation for everything that had gone on over the years. They talked about how they didn't see how it was their fault that they had to pay for what the government did and the land was rightfully theirs, etc. I guess it helps to listen to both sides.

I find it odd that this happened in South Africa, but yet in South Africa demographics wise if you look at wealth and class, whites are still on top. Many whites fled out of fear of retaliation, but many still live there, even with the corrupt government in place. In Zimbabwe, where this did happen under Mugabe's rule, it was stopped with a quickness and given world attention, when it was happening the other way around, no one gave a damn.


They didn't understand why their privilege was seen as a something that was bad. They didn't understand why their government allowed them these privileges, but yet they didn't fight to get rid or them or question why others didn't get the privileges they had when others were in power. I always wonder why now I am supposed to see the people in this situation as victims of ALL blacks, when they never saw the blacks that did this as victims of a government they supported.


I can't see the other side on this, sorry. Especially since this isn't the norm looking at most of colonized history.


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By the way, do African Americans have a stereotype that non-AA Blacks look down on them? I am not AA, but I don't look down on anyone.

Yes, Grata has a great post on her blog about this. Often times whites use non-AA blacks as proof that racism is just in the mind of the lazy black americans. Why can't they succeed like the other blacks is often touted, without looking at our history in THIS COUNTRY, our treatment, and how we are all lumped together as poor, living in the ghetto, and uneducated, without regards to looking at the actual numbers.


Chris Matthews in the video is doing the, why can't blacks here pull themselves up by the bootstrap argument that I often hear so much from racist white folks.


They completely negate the history of slaver and Jim Crow in their argument.


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If you type into youtube Africans Vs African Americans, you will be bombarded by a whole range of people insulting Africans with the occasional African writing back trading insults.

I see more than a few African, haitian, jamaican, west indian folks replying back or even starting that debate.


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I always wonder how people know that "my friend Bobby didn't get in here, but some (insert Black or Hispanic) kid with lower grades did." Did they go to the registrar's office and search through the grades?

No they just heard what mommy and daddy told them and it was in their eyes absolute truth, they had to find excuse why Bobby didn't get in, but of course his whiteness makes his grades automatically better than a black or hispanic that got in.


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You captured the mindset well. Except you forgot about the guaranteed 6 figure starting salary that will come immediately after graduation, LOL.

Oh yeah I forgot about that and the black mercedes guaranteed to all blacks for graduating from college. Think of it as a parting gift LOL

American Black Chick in London said...

"Yes, Jenniferscott25, all us negroes and minorities (excluding asians, as they are all hard working and exempt from affirmative action hiring practices in the minds of most) get free stuff. I didn't take out a loan to pay for my college, I also got in with a 1.50 GPA from my high school, they just let us get into any college of our choice, regardless of our GPA."

I agree with jamesthegirl28 and Truth B. Told on this one...you really nailed the misconceptions some whites have of the "advantages" of being a minority in higher education.

I went to a good public university in GA that was less than 5% black (and we were the largest minority group). Right before I started a white female sued my university because she didn't get in. She said that had she been a male and a minority, she would have gotten in due to my university awarding .50 points for male applicants and .25 for minority applicants (at the time the university was overwhelming white and had way more female students than male, so that was there attempt at balancing it). What she didn't realise was that 85% of students admitted to my university got in based solely on grades and SAT scores. Only the 15% who were on the borderline had the point system applied to them. Eventually my school dropped the point system altogether, but it actually ended up screwing over white applicants more since legacy applicants received a full point. Since my school didn't desegregate until the 1960s, almost no minorities students qualified for the legacy point anyway.

I'm amazed how many people are misinformed about how affirmative action works in higher education. I remember one day at lunch during my 3rd year of undergrad I was eating with two of my friends, one black, one white and we were talking about how much more difficult our school was to get into now than when we applied. My white friend said "Yeah, I'm not sure if I would have gotten in but you two would have gotten in anyway because you're black." Even though she was my friend, I went off on her. I told her that no, I would have gotten in anyway 'cause I earned my spot like everyone else. I graduated with a GPA above 4.0 (due to AP classes in high school) and my SAT scores were high enough to get me into both NYU (which offered me a hefty merit scholarship) and University of Southern California. Both my friend and I trumped her on GPA and SAT, but she assumed we got in because we were black, not because we were good students. She also complained about the lack of scholarships for white middle class students and how much easier it would be to get a scholarship if she were black. I let her in on a little news flash: there ain't that many scholarships for black middle class students either.

Sorry for the long post, but stuff like this just really irks me!

Grata said...

"I see more than a few African, haitian, jamaican, west indian folks replying back or even starting that debate."

OK. Don't mix West Indians andAfricans. If you count the insults they will come mostly from AAs and some WestIndians sprinkled in. Generally Africans tend not to blod or get into debates about race. So it is only natural that they are under represented. The few I spotted with videos were morereconcilatory. The argumentative ones tend to write and they are not that many. This is one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOBontgYK7Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8brM_UsKgk

And there is this crazy Hatian person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8brM_UsKgk

Sergent P awas another one but his videos have been removed. Then there is another Ghetto guy that specialized in trying to instill fear. His videos may have been removed too. If I find him I will post.

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RiPPa said...

Race is a social construct that has damaged people of color in particular. Even within the minority collective the color complex exists and continues to persist. This is due in large part to the tactics of White Supremacy divide and conquer.

I used to think that there was probably some fear driven agenda behind the release of the study which determined that Whit people will be the minority by 2042. However, recently, the findings of that study was challenged and it was discovered that it was indeed an erroneous conclusion give the way the racial breakdown was categorized.

Now, lets be honest, your mother is right. If for some reason Blacks became the majority, given our history, there is no way that we will consciously subjugate another collective the same way we were. I believe that this is the fear that is played upon when it comes to the White majority. It is this inherent fear that keeps the bullshit we deal with alive.

In truth, there are more people of color in the world than there are White folks. This is something they know, but the reality is that only few of them are in fact elites. So what they do? They create the "us vs. them" by demonizing another "class" of people. When you think about it, its mostly the relatively poor Whites who have a blatant and overt issue with race as it pertains to other minorities.

Checkout the results of this recent study:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/uow-api022509.php

RiPPa said...

Oh and as far as immigration?

Checkout this post I did the other day, and the exchange I was having with this White dude in the comments.

http://rippdemup.blogspot.com/2009/04/racial-profiling-and-deportation-of.html

The post was about Hispanic Americans being deported. These were Hispanics born in this country, but were "assumed" to be illegal immigrants because of their cultural heritage. Yup, can you say racial profiling gone wrong?

Some people are so fearful of the browning of America that they don't see this as a problem. If it were left up to them, there would be no immigrants allowed to come to this country.

Anonymous said...

Listen up Republicans: It's been almost 100 days, and your country is
not coming back to you. She's found somebody new.
THIS IS A COMMENT MADE BY BILL MAHER.



If conservatives don't want to be seen as bitter people who cling to
their guns and religion and anti-immigrant sentiments, they should stop
being bitter and clinging to their guns, religion and anti-immigrant
sentiments.

It's been a week now, and I still don't know what those "tea bag"
protests were about. I saw signs protesting abortion, illegal
immigrants, the bank bailout and that gay guy who's going to win
"American Idol." But it wasn't tax day that made them crazy; it was
election day. Because that's when Republicans became what they fear
most: a minority.

The conservative base is absolutely apoplectic because, because ...
well, nobody knows. They're mad as hell, and they're not going to take
it anymore. Even though they're not quite sure what "it" is. But they
know they're fed up with "it," and that "it" has got to stop.

Here are the big issues for normal people: the war, the economy, the
environment, mending fences with our enemies and allies, and the rule of
law.

And here's the list of Republican obsessions since President Obama took
office: that his birth certificate is supposedly fake, he uses a
teleprompter too much, he bowed to a Saudi guy, Europeans like him, he
gives inappropriate gifts, his wife shamelessly flaunts her upper arms,
and he shook hands with Hugo Chavez and slipped him the nuclear launch
codes.

Do these sound like the concerns of a healthy, vibrant political party?

It's sad what's happened to the Republicans. They used to be the party
of the big tent; now they're the party of the sideshow attraction, a
socially awkward group of mostly white people who speak a language only
they understand. Like Trekkies, but paranoid.

The GOP base is convinced that Obama is going to raise their taxes,
which he just lowered. But, you say, "Bill, that's just the fringe of
the Republican Party." No, it's not. The governor of Texas, Rick Perry,
is not afraid to say publicly that thinking out loud about Texas
seceding from the Union is appropriate considering that ... Obama wants
to raise taxes 3% on 5% of the people? I'm not sure exactly what Perry's
independent nation would look like, but I'm pretty sure it would be free
of taxes and Planned Parenthood. And I would have to totally rethink my
position on a border fence.

I know. It's not about what Obama's done. It's what he's planning. But
you can't be sick and tired of something someone might do.

Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota recently said she fears
that Obama will build "reeducation" camps to indoctrinate young people.
But Obama hasn't made any moves toward taking anyone's guns, and with
money as tight as it is, the last thing the president wants to do is run
a camp where he has to shelter and feed a bunch of fat, angry white
people.

Look, I get it, "real America." After an eight-year run of controlling
the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court, this latest election
has you feeling like a rejected husband. You've come home to find your
things out on the front lawn -- or at least more things than you usually
keep out on the front lawn. You're not ready to let go, but the country
you love is moving on. And now you want to call it a whore and key its
car.

That's what you are, the bitter divorced guy whose country has left him
-- obsessing over it, haranguing it, blubbering one minute about how
much you love it and vowing the next that if you cannot have it, nobody
will.

But it's been almost 100 days, and your country is not coming back to
you. She's found somebody new. And it's a black guy.

The healthy thing to do is to just get past it and learn to cherish the
memories. You'll always have New Orleans and Abu Ghraib.

And if today's conservatives are insulted by this, because they feel
they're better than the people who have the microphone in their party,
then I say to them what I would say to moderate Muslims: Denounce your
radicals. To paraphrase George W. Bush, either you're with them or
you're embarrassed by them.

The thing that you people out of power have to remember is that the
people in power are not secretly plotting against you. They don't need
to. They already beat you in public.


SIMONE

Iggles said...

Thanks for the Bill Maher post Simone! That was classic.

This entire discussion is really interesting.

Anonymous said...

You are welcome Iggles. It was sent to another online group I belong to. Thought I would share.

SIMONE

FunkyStarkitty50 said...

Love It!!! Thanks Simone

Mimi said...

Bill Maher hit the nail right on the head. Bill Maher's awesome.

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