2009-06-06
Jews for Obama
Being that I have at least a couple of Jewish readers, I am not going to offend, but I am sorry that people seem offended that he does not want to nuke all the Arab states and put Israel on a pedestal. He wants peace. I know that offends some, but really was all this necessary?
Why is it when there is dissent of Obama it always comes down to race, and why always do they target his black side, not his white side?
Interesting enough, the video was removed by the Huffington Post and disregarded as "frat boys having innocent fun". Is being hateful really all that innocent? Or were they just racist?
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i'm sorry that was hilarious...alot of them were drunk off their asses. have some watermelon...lmao
I don't get that either.
Good post Siditty.
Sorry, It's racism...period!
I wrote about this video earlier...
yeah...
Its racist.
yeah, those guys have been drinking too much manischewitz. hilarious, but also a bit sad too.
sometimes my own people even make me uncomfortable. don't like the militantism that's been taking over judaism lately. it comes out in ugly ways - like this.
that said, i wouldn't take this too seriously.
Yeah, this is racism pure and simple. Take out the parts where they mention anything about Israel or their ethnicity and tell me what these guys/gals look and sound like. I feel like it was removed (censored?) from the Huffington Post, was because it shows a side of a portion of the Israeli populace that is truly ugly, but was always there. Shining a light on that ugly side doesn’t seem to be in the best interest of the powers that be at the H-post. The words coming out of the mouths of these young people reminds me that suffering doesn't make you righteous (well, not your children anyway).
They make as much sense as Michael Steele and Alan Keyes and Clarence Thomas concerning the Republican party.
"White Power"? Since when? Does the Aryan Brotherhood support their views?
And notice that they had to go overseas to talk all that shit.
But many really racist people think that Obama is overly Pro-Isreal.
C'mon, Isreal isn't the only country in the world we value.
That is the real general attitude of Jews(Especially of European descent) towards Blacks. Anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously deluded. They are as capable of dehumanizing others as anyone else. And we are supposed to keep bending over backwards for them?
Obama's speech in Cairo was monumental. I have been feeling the on ongoing fatigue over the Jewish cause. The whole world has been revolving around the Jews and their cause and lately we have seen the consequences of that. What Obama did was stop that wheel from spinning out of control. Its time to stop and see what Israeli centric politics is doing to everyone else. In my books that is one hell of an achievement.
Israel is entitled to its own state but not to the expense of everyone. And this was Obama's key message, too bad they don't like it.
What happens when big brother American puts a break on Israel's foreign policy? They are now threatening him with death? If they pull it off they will really be screwed.
And to the kid that read the grand mother's camp number, Are we supposed to still be moved by that when hundreds of thousands are dying unnecessarily in real time? Give me a break, just take your beer and sit your ass down.
Your Grand mother was a tragic part of history, too bad you learnt nothing from that.
Can you believe how narcistic these people are?
Stupidity crosses all ethnic groups and there is no excuse for it. Being drunk and saying offensive stuff just means you get your "Courage in a Bottle" to say what you feel that you normally wouldn't have the balls to say sober because you are too afraid. It is racist, not a joke.
Sid,
Offtopic. I know you will likely blog about this. Bruno's upcoming film;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAGpmNb2xfQ
Notice how he ridicules the whole celebrities adopting African children concept. I was disturbed at first but I realized that it was a good idea.
I heard about some Jews calling calling Obama niggas and all kind of racial epithets. Stupid bastards.
well...that really hurt for some reason lol I don't know why. Ugh... I hope they stay in Israel. To think I might be sitting in the same class with these people...
I'm surprised that Huffington Post would yank down that video.
That seems to be right up their alley.
'course, it does have something to do with their (whoops!) I mean, our President, so that's probably why they took it down.
But....if it was about GWB, they would be trumpeting that fact all over their website.
Airiana Huffington used to be good, but now she's just a blithering idiot, preaching "do as I say" not "do as I do".
I couldn't even watch the rest of it. You know what's so funny about you saying they target his black side and not his white side. He went to Russia and was gonna hang out with his WHITE UNCLE who helped FREE JEWISH people in WW2. I'm sitting there watching tv and I'm wondering why that isn't getting more press. Oh this just in...it would remind everyone that he is white too...and we can't have that can we?
Of course they aren't going to attack his white side because they are also white. Attacking his white side would be self hatred. Also people have to other something to hate it. His blackness automatically makes him able to be hated and dogged.
But you know what, no matter what those drunken frat girls and frat boys say...Obama still owns your dumb a** cause he is the president of the united states! B*tches!
Okay I finally got a chance to look at those racist fucks. They were asking what has Obama done for the Jews? Hasn't the US sent Billions upon Billions of dollars to fucking Israel. Then one of those dumb jack off bastards screams, "white power" Really? Is this the era of the new Nazi Jew. Is this how most Israeli Jews feel. I know alot of American jews don't like Obama or blacks period, I know alot of Jews have a superiority complex. I work with so many of them. I wonder why the fuck they hate blacks and Obama so much. What have blacks done to the fucking Jews? Fuck 'em. Racist fucking whiney bitches. Assholes. Go fall asleep in a gas chamber cunts.
it is always innocent fun when nonwhites are threatened, violence is only violence if it threatens the whites or the rich
G,
What you said makes absolutely no sense. And yes, if you are a US citizen, Obama is your president too. Deal with it and drop the GOP victimhood act. It's old.
yeah, those guys have been drinking too much manischewitz. hilarious, but also a bit sad too.
What's funny about racism?
that said, i wouldn't take this too seriously.
Should I shrug this off too and not stifle language? I don't get it, when I have been drunk in the past, I typically don't start spouting racial slurs towards whites, hispanics, or anyone. There is a reason liquor is called "liquid courage" and that there is a saying that a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts.
The problem with this is that even if we were to shrug this off as innocent frat boy fun, these kids think this, and more than likely they got it from somewhere and more than likely these kids are going to be someone's co-workers and better yet there bosses, and if they have this mind set, this is what leads to the reason we have affirmative action. Folks like this hold and embrace these stereotypes and personally I don't want to be around folks like this, and maybe I expect to much, especially since assholes were talking about the holocaust while in the same breathe calling Obama everything under the sun and using the same mindset that got "grandmother" in a concentration camp.
"I work with so many of them. I wonder why the fuck they hate blacks and Obama so much. What have blacks done to the fucking Jews? Fuck 'em. Racist fucking whiney bitches. Assholes. Go fall asleep in a gas chamber cunts."
wow...that's a bit over the top. yeah those kids said some f*cked up shit, but don't take it out on all jewish people. I imagine most of the normal israeli people would want peace as much as anyone else, who wants to have to constantly worry about getting their ass blown up all the time? i know plenty of jews who are tired of the fighting just as much as anyone else. I mean racism is racism, lets not try and correct racism with more racism. also i'm black and i mean most of jews I know don't hate blacks anymore than the average wasp does, well probably a bit less actually so... don't kno what to say about that.
those kids in the video were just stupid period and drunk at that...
"that said, i wouldn't take this too seriously."
:eyeroll:
That's his same answer in post about Black people. Has anyone else noticed his pattern?
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That's his same answer in post about Black people. Has anyone else noticed his pattern?
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Yeah he always seems to take that route when it comes to Black People being discriminated against. It's annoying.
wow...that's a bit over the top. yeah those kids said some f*cked up shit, but don't take it out on all jewish people. I imagine most of the normal israeli people would want peace as much as anyone else, who wants to have to constantly worry about getting their ass blown up all the time? i know plenty of jews who are tired of the fighting just as much as anyone else. I mean racism is racism, lets not try and correct racism with more racism. also i'm black and i mean most of jews I know don't hate blacks anymore than the average wasp does, well probably a bit less actually so... don't kno what to say about that.
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You are right it was over the top. I even hesitated posting it, but I guess I was a bit pissed. The part that really pissed me off was the guy giving his Grandmother's number and then saying his ignorant comment afterward. I wanted to rip his tongue out.
Gee, American teens getting sh*tfaced spewing racist thoughts, would've thought? *sarcasm*
"That is the real general attitude of Jews(Especially of European descent) towards Blacks."
Grata, don't you think that's a big generalization? Granted, I'm no fan of America's love affair with Israel either, but those morons in that clip definitely don't speak for every Jewish person. There are good and bad apples in every tree. People fail to mention that there are many Jews who are actually against Israel/Zionism. Many of those who are of the Orthodox persuasion are. And what about Jon Stewart? He's not crazy about Israel either.
"I wonder why the fuck they hate blacks and Obama so much."
Read what I said up above. And countless Jews supported Obama during the election and afterwards. Heck, the man who taped the video of those drunk kids is Jewish and supports Obama.
"What have blacks done to the fucking Jews? Fuck 'em. Racist fucking whiney bitches. Assholes. Go fall asleep in a gas chamber cunts."
Not cool at all, Anon. Especially that last statement. Think about it.
Actually, what I said makes a lot of sense.
So far, I bet you can't find one single derogatory comment on him those types of websites (such as MoveOn.org, Daily Kos and the Huffington Post). As for the next four years, the same rule will probably apply.
As for playing the GOP victimhood, please, spare me the ridicule. I have to deal with enough Democratic stupidity on the state and local level. So far, I haven't seen it quite so bad on the national level, except maybe for Nancy Pelosi.
So please, spare me the comment of saying I'm practicing GOP victimhood.
It's so old, tired and cliche.
And while yes, technically, he's my president, I would like to reiterate a quote that went around for the previous eight years.
He ain't my president because I didn't vote for him.
Remember, you can't have it both ways.
"That is the real general attitude of Jews(Especially of European descent) towards Blacks."
Grata, don't you think that's a big generalization?
@Mimi: I don’t, I’ll second what Grata said. In this world black folks are not at the bottom, we’re not even ON the totem pole; so any chance a person of any race can hate on us they will. “There are good and bad apples in every tree.”
WAKE UP! Let me here the jews ask if this is a generalization and not a fellow black who wants to see life with foolish and naïve child-like eyes. WAKE UP, we are on our way to extinction because we want to keep believing that “there are good and bad apples in every tree.”
"sometimes my own people even make me uncomfortable. don't like the militantism that's been taking over judaism lately. it comes out in ugly ways - like this.
that said, i wouldn't take this too seriously."
Really?
I guess next time someone makes some off color holocaust jokes we should not take it seriously. Given the Jews' expertise at using the holocaust card, I doubt you will understand why we will be laughing.
But it will be funny none the less.
Remember wehn Price Harry did this,
http://halfbackflanker.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/prince_harry_nazi.jpg
That was quite funny, wasn't it?
"especially since assholes were talking about the holocaust while in the same breathe calling Obama everything under the sun and using the same mindset that got "grandmother" in a concentration camp."
I think every Jew has a Grand parent that was in a holocaust camp of some sort. Is that even possible? Everyone you meet claims to have had one there.
"Grata, don't you think that's a big generalization? Granted, I'm no fan of America's love affair with Israel either, but those morons in that clip definitely don't speak for every Jewish person."
Jews of European descent are no different in their attitudes towards Blacks than other White people. Some how because of the Civil Rights movement, Blacks have become deluded that Jews care for them. Its all in their interest to support the AA cause. Don't be fooled. I prefer a straight out rcist than a hypocrite that manipulates and uses me for their own gain.
"And what about Jon Stewart? He's not crazy about Israel either".
And you believe that because he says so on his show ?
No doubt there are Jews that are critical of Israel but these are a very small minority. And there is a fault line with in Israel between the Ashkenazi Jews (European descent) and Mizrahi Jews who are of (Eastern mostly Arab descent) and feel they are treated like second class citizens. So I would look closely at someone's background to instruct me of their politics as regards to Zionism.
All this doesn't tell us of their real attitudes towards Blacks. If we are to go by how Ethiopian Jews have been treated or Blacks in Israel, then its still not good.
I would put their racsim at the same level as other whites if not worse.
I hope I figured it out;
Harry the Happy Nazi
Zek,
Maybe you can find some humor in these cartoons.
Cartoons in Arab Media
Now this one should be really funny to you.
Iranian Cartoon
This is interesting because when I read the paper today they were talking about a special plea on how the people in Israel were so special and must be protected. These people in the video are nothing but racist idiots. Also this is so off topic for me but Siddity in you pic isn't that from the anime series Calaxy Express 999? It looks like Leiji Matsumoto's artwork. I'm a anime freak that's why I want to know. XD
I hate people who say "Ohh, don't take it seriously" and "they were just drunk." Most, if not all, of these people were giving their true opinions. Alcohol gives you the ability to do that. -Des
@Mimi: I don’t, I’ll second what Grata said. In this world black folks are not at the bottom, we’re not even ON the totem pole; so any chance a person of any race can hate on us they will. “There are good and bad apples in every tree.”
WAKE UP! Let me here the jews ask if this is a generalization and not a fellow black who wants to see life with foolish and naïve child-like eyes.
And yet another coward who can't come out from under the Anonymous label. And no, naming yourself "Toronto" doesn't count, sweetie.
LOL, someone who believes that one should judge everyone as individuals and not paint a group of people with a broad brush is being child-like?? The irony.
People like yourself are quite pathetic and will never get anywhere in life with that "the world hates me" rhetoric. Seek help.
WAKE UP, we are on our way to extinction because we want to keep believing that “there are good and bad apples in every tree.”
Ha!! Talk about delusional. Do you realize how many Black people there are in not just America, but the continent of Africa, South America, and the Caribbean?? We are alive and well, genius.
There IS good and bad in every race, ethnicity and religion. There are Black people who are caring, selfish, lazy, etc, etc. There are Jewish people who good, bad, greedy, kind, the list goes on and on. Obviously there WAS good in many white folks seeing that they, along with black folks helped Obama get into office. It's sad you can't get that through your thick head.
Grata, I happen to be agree with everything you stated in the post about Israel and Obama's speech in Cairo. I just think it's dangerous to try and assume that everyone feels the same way because of what some numbnuts spew.
"And you believe that because he says so on his show ?"
Why not? He's never made actions that proved otherwise.
Off-topic: it's interesting to see how much less biased news sources and media outside the U.S are toward Israel. It's a breath of fresh air, actually.
Grata, you should write for the Los Angeles Times. You ever thought about being a journalist?
Zek J Evets said:
that said, i wouldn't take this too seriously.
Why when it comes to black people being degraded, we should not take it serious? Why is it a free pass to hate black people? When Mark Wahlberg made a joke about Adam Samberg and made reference to his nose, was he being anti-semetic? Most of those comments on youtube dogged out Mark for saying that as well as Halle Berry. Lets not forget Mel Gibson. Why is it okay for Jews to throw up the holocaust card every chance they get and everyone agree and sympathizes, but when black people throw the race card up we are whining bitches that need to get over it? LOL. Sorry I take this very serious. I'm tired of people giving free passes to hate black people.
Hey zek,
Don't take Hamas too seriously.
Apologies, but Israel(and all followers) are obviously in the wrong and have some terribly pathetic delusional complex going on.
I'm all for the palestines.
@Mimi: Save your breath. Please, you have to give me credit for putting a name, but let’s try to stay on topic. “Do you realize how many Black people there are in not just America, but the continent of Africa, South America, and the Caribbean??” The same ones that can’t get along? What’s your criteria for “alive and well, genius”? Our greatest enemy is ourselves and there are way too many of us, like you, who want to make excuses for others. “Obviously there WAS good in many white folks seeing that they, along with black folks helped Obama get into office” I guess you would also include those self-proclaimed “good” white supremacist racists that voted for him too?
The purpose of my previous comment to you was to simply ask: why are YOU claiming “there are good apples and bad apples...” Let me hear THEM say “we’re not all like this” or “he is just speaking for himself” or “there are good apples and bad apples in every race.” Watch and listen closely, when there is an issue regarding black people, it usually doesn’t take too long before “nigger” is called out and aside from the Mimi’s standing around crying with their garbage, listen to what THEY say. Silence.
“People like yourself are quite pathetic and will never get anywhere in life with that "the world hates me" rhetoric. Seek help.” Keep telling yourself that. I am in university taking engineering as others aspire to be rappers and “singers”. I have a job, my own place, a car. “Coward, sweetie, pathetic, genius, it's sad you can't get that through your thick head.” please DO seek that help or off yourself.
There’s no room for anymore “bad apples” with us.
I can't watch the video now b/c I am at news and it is blocked. It sounds like what these little drunken brats said was bad and racist but is that a reason for some of the Jewish bashing on here? I know I get mad when someone uses the actions of a few black folks to paint us all in a bad light and I think it is wrong to do the same thing for Jewish people. These kids are stupid and since Jewish people often have many of the worries we do about being depicted in a bad light most American Jews are probably shaking their heads and that boy who read off his grandmother's Concentration Camp tattoo would probably be slapped across the head by her if she is still alive and probably will be smacked by his Mom for behaving in such a bad manner in front of a camera, even if she shares his beliefs. Ish like that is embarrasing to have it caught on tape and go world wide. Also, though the Israeli government is not doing the right thing with the Palestinians, this issue is not really related.
Also, please remember that MANY Jewish people were our allies, and often the majority of our white allies, during the Civil Rights movement and there are many Jewish folks who are still in the fight with us. I do think the right wing, aided by a lazy MSM, has stirred up much animosity between blacks and Jews in a divide and conquer manuever. Are their racist Jews, yes. Are their black anti-semites, yes. Are most Jews racists? NO Are most blacks, anti-semetic, Nope. As Chris Rock said, black folks don't have the time to be differentiating between different kinds of white people. Not entirely true, but it has some element of truth in it.
why are YOU claiming “there are good apples and bad apples...” Let me hear THEM say “we’re not all like this” or “he is just speaking for himself” or “there are good apples and bad apples in every race.”--Toronto
Whether harsh or not, he has a good point here. The good apples need to speak up.
@lormarie: Thank you. I'm actually a she, but that's okay.
@all (because there's too many for me to go and point each and every one of ya'll):
i've heard plenty of anti-semitic slurs, and i've learned that words only have the power you give them. i choose not to get pissed off when someone calls me a kike or makes holocaust jokes, because really, what's the point of getting upset? just because someone says something doesn't make it true, and getting angry only feeds that sort of language.
hell, i make off-color jokes about jews all the time. why? because if you can't laugh at that sort of thing, you're just going to go through life angry and offended for a looong time.
i'm not condoning what they did - but i'm not going to give them a lot of attention over it either. i say don't take it seriously because if you do then you're giving them control over you and your emotions. you're acting like what they say has power - and then it does.
those guys in the video don't speak for most jews or israelis, just like hamas or al-qaeda don't speak for most arabs or muslims.
kinda sad how ya'll who get so offended over racism and hate are the quickest ones to use it back. i mean, does that make sense to you? grata? iormarie?
i mean, the comics are funny (and fucked-up, but that's part of the humor, isn't it?) but do you really think you're proving your point by doing the same thing those guys did?
honestly, you come off like sad pathetic hypocrites. try a little more MLK and less malcom x.
it feels weird that i even have to explain this. it feels like it should be obvious - but i guess it isn't?
@oli: if you think the problem is that simple, maybe you could come up with a solution then? or maybe stop trying to pretend things are always black and white.
@dani: i'll tell you what. i promise not to use the holocaust card if you promise not to use the slavery card. except... i'm not playing card games, and i'm as tired of hate as you are. so let's stop, okay?
@grata: just for you.
http://www.shof.msrcsites.co.uk/confused.jpg
@iormarie: don't take yourself too seriously either - it's the leading cause of bitchiness.
@siditty: i always think stupidity is funny. laughter - much like love - defeats most evils in the world. maybe you should try it sometime? you always seem like you could use a good laugh, and i respect you too much to try actually telling you a joke myself.
yes, it's sad that these people actually think this (because i agree that a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts) but you can't change the world, and you certainly can't have everyone in it be something you'd approve of. there are not-so-nice people out there. not necessarily terrible, horrible or evil, but just kinda bad.
i just think you get too caught up in what's wrong with the world siditty, that it seems like you forget what's right with it too. there's love out there everyday, but all you post about is hate.
maybe you should soften your gaze and look around for it more often.
"I just think it's dangerous to try and assume that everyone feels the same way because of what some numbnuts spew."
Ofcourse not everyone feels the same way just like not every white person is racist. But we go by percentages, don't we?
Blacks should accept that there is an almost constant negative attitude towards blacks from all non Black peoples. That is a given and Jews are not except from it. Because of their tortured history Blacks tend to be temporarily decieved into thinking that the Jews are above that, they are not. And like the rest there are exceptional individuals that are above that but these are not the Majority.
That is the reality for Blacks.
"Why not? He's never made actions that proved otherwise?".
Ah, is not as clear cut as it appears. Some societies are simply too complex to comprehend. I have first hand knowledge of one, Rwanda. Rwandese by everyone's measure are some of the most complicated people you will ever know. Up to now with peaked interest in the nature of their people has left experts scratching their heads. When people have had to survive tough odds for so long, you don't take them at face value.
"Off-topic: it's interesting to see how much less biased news sources and media outside the U.S are toward Israel. It's a breath of fresh air, actually."
The British are very critical of Israel. I remember Daniel Creg trying to promote his film about Jews in Russia when the Gaza bombing was going on. It was the most uncomfortable interview I have had to listen to. Here was a film about Jews overcomming percecution while in real time they were killing Palestinians. I think that movie went straight to DVD. And the British interviewer didn't let him off easy.
"Grata, you should write for the Los Angeles Times. You ever thought about being a journalist?"
Hahahaha. I am flattered, I maybe too radical for them.
Offtopic, have you guys seen the book BW "Why Black men Love White women?" Its a page turner. I wanted to get it from a males perspective and this guy delivers especially from the political angle.
Back to this mess.
"kinda sad how ya'll who get so offended over racism and hate are the quickest ones to use it back. i mean, does that make sense to you? grata? iormarie?"
Look @ you trying to play victim. Who hated on you? We simply showed you stuff we consider offensive towards Jews and want to see if you find it inoffensive.
Just because we are critical of Israel and its actions it means we hate Jews? Just because we see the humanity of Palestinians and think that America needs to reset its relations with Israel then we hate Jews? Please, stop whinning. There are many Jews that believe the same, do they hate Jews?
No, we are all supposed to be compliant and remember the holocaust everytime Israel or Jews feel threatened. Seriously, I think the world's sympathy for Israel has reached a tipping point. You can't fight for your survival at the expense of everyone else and expect everyone to be supportive of you because of what some crazy Germans did. Sorry.
America has paid a heavy price with its security because of its unconditional support for Israel. If anyone thinks 911 had nothing to do with that they are deluded.
So how much should everyone sacrifice for Israel?
Some of us are simply realistic and choose to see everyone as human beings deserving of the same dignity. Israel is entitled to its existance but we all need to live in peace. Does that mean we hate Jews ? It simply means that we too are interested in our own survival and will not put it behind that of Jews.
I don't know about you but, I have no unconditional love for people that degrade my humanity. Good for you that you can take it lightly and not get angry. Some of us can't afford that luxury.
And pointing out Jewish racism is simply stating what is there and not advocating antisemitism. I made this point before, if you call a Jew racist even if he is, then you are anti-semitic and you have simply proven that point.
A Black person is never supposed to call out a Jew as racist even when they are blatant about it, and trust me I have had real encounters. That makes me Anti-Semitic, what crap! Like degrading my own humanity by a Jew is acceptable.
"honestly, you come off like sad pathetic hypocrites. try a little more MLK and less malcom x."
How condescending. You have the nerve to tell us how to respond to Jewish racism, who exactly do you think you are talking to here, your house maids? Is that why you post here, to be condescending?
MLK LOL! Typical. I don't even know how to respond to that one. You want the less "scary" negro. Dude you are revealing too much about yourself.
@grata: just for you.
I am glad you found the clips humorous. Your link doesnt work.
i agree zek j evets, well said. you can't fight racism with racism it doesn't work like that...
To Zek J Evets : THANK YOU. It's somewhat disturbing to realize that some of the comments made on here are no better then what those kids made in the video. We can't fight ignorance with more ignorance.
Sounds like you need to get that chip off your shoulder, "Toronto". Might I suggest Sara Silverman??
@Mimi: For someone you view as “pathetic” I seem to be doing pretty well for myself and you, little girl? There’s no “chip”, trust me. I suggest you go argue with someone down on your level; I refuse to back and forth with you. But I will put an end to you with this: “Why not? He's never made actions that proved otherwise.” Forget I even considered assuming you were sane and just a bit confused. With this type of thinking what I understand of you is this: Jessica tells me Jake stole my SIN number and gave it to his illegal polish girlfriend Wojciecha. But I’ll foolishly wait until tax time of the following year- when the government sends me a bill that I can SEE, saying I worked too much and now owe them- before I get suspicious. Ha! I beg you: not only WAKE UP but GROW UP! You’re the exact reason why we as a race will never get ahead, someone gives you a taste of reality and you want to spit out insults and talk trash. Please, for all the black Mimi’s reading this, OFF YOURSELVES. I repeat, “There’s no room for anymore “bad apples” with us!” Do BETTER or VANISH, there’s too many of you making up the majority.
No doubt there are Jews that are critical of Israel but these are a very small minority.
I want people to remember the two guys who made this video are Jewish themselves. As a result of posting this video, they have been told they are self hating Jews. Jewish people aren't coming out of the woodworks to support these two guys. The two guys are also against the expanding of settlements as well.
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And while yes, technically, he's my president, I would like to reiterate a quote that went around for the previous eight years.
He ain't my president because I didn't vote for him
I never once said that, I will say I did hate his as my governor for two terms and as my president for two terms. He left the state of Texas in a huge budget shortfall, when he leaves the presidency, he leaves the economy is a big mess. That ain't a coincidence.
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Also this is so off topic for me but Siddity in you pic isn't that from the anime series Calaxy Express 999?
It's Robotech aka Macross . It's Roy Fokker and Claudia Grant.
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Whether harsh or not, he has a good point here. The good apples need to speak up.
I am not going to support the anti-semetic talk, but I will say this is a good point. So far the only comments we have gotten is that's funny and suck it up it isn't that bad, let it roll off your back.
Zek,
I think that what irks me more than anything is the fact that these Jewish people see no hypocrisy in this, and instead of other Jewish people condemning the stupidity, they dismiss it, like you, and expect everyone else to as well. It to me is an example of the luxury white privilege affords Jewish people here in America. They truly don't get why this is bad. They don't want to get it, and they don't care to. If we had another Jesse Jackson "Hymietown" incident, these same folks would be in an uproar. I have learned that most people can only see humanity in themselves and everyone else can fall by the wayside.There is no relating to those who believe differently than you or who look different. Those people don't matter. That is the feeling I am getting when I see Jewish people simply dismiss this as "nothing" and pretend I am supposed to as a black person be ok with it.
If you can't understand my humanity, how do you expect me to understand and embrace yours?
i've heard plenty of anti-semitic slurs, and i've learned that words only have the power you give them.
This isnt as simple as "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me", and to dismiss it as such is insulting and further degrading.
Words can be hurtful and they can be powerful, they can lead folks to a dangerous path. Mein Kempf is just a bunch of words put together, but those words are dangerous are they not?
ust because someone says something doesn't make it true, and getting angry only feeds that sort of language.
You are right it might not be true, but the words spoken or written could be construed as true.
. i say don't take it seriously because if you do then you're giving them control over you and your emotions
They can't control me, but what they say could directly impact me and folks of color. If people with these beliefs go into corporate America, they can justify not hiring me, even with more education and work experience. They can justify why I am not paid the same as my white co-workers. They contribute to the racial discrepancies that make Affirmative Action still needed. We are not in post racial America yet, no matter what the media says.
those guys in the video don't speak for most jews or israelis, just like hamas or al-qaeda don't speak for most arabs or muslims.
If they don't why the silence? Why the dismissal? Why do we not hear the condemnation? Why did the Huffington Post pretend it wasn't worthy of news? If it was so harmless, why did they take it down?
kinda sad how ya'll who get so offended over racism and hate are the quickest ones to use it back. i mean, does that make sense to you?
It doesn't make sense to me, but neither does the silence.
honestly, you come off like sad pathetic hypocrites. try a little more MLK and less malcom x.
You should really learn the history of Malcolm X before making such comments.
i promise not to use the holocaust card if you promise not to use the slavery card.
What if she used the segregation card? The wealth and education discrepancy card? Or the Rodney King card?
laughter - much like love - defeats most evils in the world.
Does it really, I don't think so.
but you can't change the world, and you certainly can't have everyone in it be something you'd approve of
No one is asking for approval, just respect and empathy. I guess that is a lot to ask.
i just think you get too caught up in what's wrong with the world siditty, that it seems like you forget what's right with it too.
What is right about what was said?
maybe you should soften your gaze and look around for it more often.
The sad thing is it is easier to find the bad than it is the good. You have the luxury of being a white jew, so you in turn get the luxury of expecting racism and injustice to roll off your back.
Biracial, multi-racial is only imprtant to biracial and multi-racial people who choose to make the distinction.
Racists see color not percentages.
That said, these jerks were clearly drunk off their bottoms and will probably regret shaming their parents when the fog clears.
You know Siditty I doubt if Zek will see where you are coming from because even if he had family that suffered in the holocaust. He does not know what discrimination feels like. He looks at the world through rose colored glasses. He is white and probably has never had to lift a finger to do anything but get on his soap box and judge. I don't relate to Jews just because they have had a bad history. Too many of them are just as racist as any other white person. Where I live there is a huge German population. I know people whose families worked for Jews in Germany around WWII. THey were housekeepers and maids. Do you know that they treated them like shit. They looked down on them and Jews seperated themselves from everyone else. I am not saying that Jews deserved to be put in death camps because of it. But you will never get that perspective from history about how rich Jews treated non Jews. I have had several people whose families lived in Germany, Denmark, and in other parts of Europe talk about how racist Jews were. It wasn't just the big bad Germans.
Zek, Mimi I agree that the conversation was getting kind of insulting, but I recall seeing offensive posts from two people, and that's it. Just like we shouldn't apply those guy's opinion to the entire Jewish population, don't apply the comments of a few to all Black people. Zek, your answers always seem too condescending. You never really seem to come here to learn. You come here to tell people "I know the way to be a better human and you guys need to do it my way." You are only 22 years old, you look like any other white college student, what do you know about racism? When was the last time someone called you something because you're were a Jew? I'm really curious. i think you really need to just listen, because you always come off, no matter what the subject is about, be it black women or Jewish racism, as really condescending. Did it ever occur to you that people do not live in the same reality as you and that they don't have the luxury of simply "brushing things off"?. Why do you look down on people for reacting to this ugly thing? And stop with the cliche "words don't have any power unless you give them power" b.s.. Sometimes, words get bigger, they get sharper, they start invading schools, churches, mosques, state government, federal government, your workplace. I'm sure a lot of Jews, before the Holocaust, denied the racist atmosphere as "just words.". Maybe even some Rwandans. I am not all for dismissing this as "drunk loud mouthed idiots". I am not going to "laugh" at it because let's be frank here, if that video was of black college students spewing racist slurs, you would be wondering why black people are such hypocrites. I'm just sayin'
So while I understand that those words do not apply to the entire Jewish population, I think this is worth talking about, and derailing the conversation onto the "everyone is racist towards Jews" track is not productive.
Oh! and stop talking about "the slavery card". When was the last time anyone outside of the interwebs used that "card" with you? It's just so insulting, seriously. Listen before you write, or don't write at all. If you finish listening and you still have the same rigid thoughts, then that is something that you need to figure out, and you have a lot of figuring out to do. You are only 22 years old.
"I never once said that, I will say I did hate his as my governor for two terms and as my president for two terms. He left the state of Texas in a huge budget shortfall, when he leaves the presidency, he leaves the economy is a big mess. That ain't a coincidence."
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That's the thing it aint gonna take much for Barack Obama to be a good president when we just had the worst pres. in history in office. As long as he doesn't turn into a crazy-ass it should be okay. Hell, Mccain probably would have been better than Bush even.
In terms of Zek J Evets, I don't think he was saying brush it off because the people saying the racist stuff were Jewish, I think he was just saying that you shouldn't let ignorance get to you. I think we all know the kids in that video were wrong and stupid to spew that hypocrisy, but to stoop to their level is also wrong. Yeah, there are some jewish people who feel they're superior and above everyone else, but there are people in every group who are like that. There are always going to be the select group of people who are going to use anything or everything to try and make themselves feel superior in order to feel better about the themselves, the world, whatever. There are arab people who do it, black people, we know white people do it. Everyone does it. You know why every does it? Because its a vicious cycle. by attacking hatred with more hatred you're continuing the cycle and that's the lesson that people need to learn. So yeah, those people in the vid needed to be called out, but don't call them out by spewing more hatred that's not going to help.
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publish/mission.shtml
Wow at that video...just goes to show you that anyone can be racist. And that bimbo in the clip who didn't even know who Benjamin Netanyahu was - does not she realze that she fit that "Jewish American Princess" stereotype to perfection?? Just sad.
I wonder why there is a widespread belief that Jews can't possibly be racist? Most likely because of the Holocaust factor. The fact of the matter is ANYONE of any ethnicity can be racist. It's funny how everyone accuses Blacks of using the "race" card to get what they want and yet there are many Jewish people will use the "Holocaust" card any chance they get. How come I haven't heard any Jews outside this comment section speak up about this? Just disappointing.
@Siddity: Oh Macross that's right! **Palm on head** I got them mixed up! XD Thank you.
Finally had a chance to watch this. I stand by what I said before, but man this is obnoxious and these kids are so stupid and arrogant and privileged that it isn't even funny. These kids are so stupid. Especially the girl who said she was a poly sci major and knew her sh!t about politics and Obama sucks and blah, blah, and then didn't know who the prime minister of Israel is. WTF?
@all (again): firstly, i'm sorry if ya'll think my remarks are condescending. i'm having to defend my opinion the same as you defend yours, and there are a lot more of you who agree with each other. it's easy to dismiss me as being "too young" or "too white" to really understand racism and/or prejudice.
that isn't the case, and frankly i find THAT to be as condescending as you say i am being. you assume that my life is "easy" and that i couldn't possibly comprehend what it's like to be discriminated against. again, wrong. i grew up in southern california, right next to huntington beach. hanging out there, you'd see neo-nazis and skinheads and other stupid "white power" subgroups all the time. but instead of letting them get to me, i tried to empathize with them, and eventually some of them became close friends of mine. they didn't stop being entirely prejudiced and ignorant, but they did learn to accept me as a human being, and not a stereotype. i ask that ya'll do the same.
@grata: i'm not intending to play the victim, because what you posted didn't offend me - because i didn't let it. what i was pointing out is how your actions are hypocritical to your argument - that prejudicial speech is hurtful and should be condemned. you don't like what the guys in the video said, but then when i make an opinion about it that conflicts with yours, you put up racist and/or prejudiced cartoons. does that make sense? you say one thing and then do another.
that said, i doubt you really hate jews. but can you at least see how you contradict yourself by HOW you choose to talk about these issues?
i'm not asking you to bow down or support israel or not call out jews (or whites or asians or hispanics) when they do something you don't approve of. what i was asking was for you to think about how this might not be something you need to take seriously and/or offensively, because not only is it a minority opinion, but also an ignorant one.
(like when fox news puts radical christians next to respected scientists/political analysts and makes a facade of the issue.)
i'm not telling you how to respond to jewish racism (or any racism) but i am suggesting ways that work for me, because i've been discriminated against too. (in fact, by black people as much as anyone else, like how you were doing earlier.)
also, my link does work, but you need to copy+paste it. (and having to explain that makes me feel more condescending than anything else you pointed out.)
@orchid: i do listen - and read - before i write. maybe you should do the same, and judge me based on my words and not on my age or ethnicity. if you disagree with what i say, then admit it because you don't agree, but don't blame it on something like age or culture - that's just more of the same cycle that starts the kind of hate and stupidity seen in the video.
@siditty: i am not asking you to "be okay with it" because you're black. i am asking you to ignore it because that's what works for me. i am giving you a different way of dealing with stupidity and hate than giving in to it. please don't assume that i'd tell any other ethnic group/culture anything different.
while i understand the power of words (as well as anyone who calls themself a "writer") i disagree with how you handle it. by getting angry and making a scene over this, you act like this is something important, like it's something serious - and it is - but by acting the way you do you give this kind of thing a voice, an outlet into the world. instead, strangle it with silence. ignore them. if this was someone in the israeli government, then i'd see that as something to be concerned about. but this is just a bunch of dumb frat-type dudes. why take them seriously as all? why put their hate on such a high level of importance? they are specks of dust compared to the hate that exists between israel and palestine.
that is what i think the reason is for why the huffington post took down the video. because why feed that sort of stupidity? "harmless" news isn't newsworthy in a region fraught with more profound tragedies everyday.
i wasn't saying anything was right in the video. i was asking you to look around at what's right in the world! you always focus on the negative, on the bad, on hate and violence and all the horrible things going on. and they do go on, every second. but do you not think there are good things going on at the exact same time? i'm not speaking specifically about the video, but about the world in this case. you might dismiss the power of laughter and/or love, but i think then that you are an idiot to do so. sorry, but anyone who thinks that these things can't stop all the evils in the world has either never experienced them, or has chosen to ignore them. if the former, i feel bad for you. if the latter, then i feel even worse.
my life has given me tragedies, the same as yours, and to assume that i know nothing of suffering is as ignorant as the people you condemn. to assume that i can see the good because i've never had the bad is an oversimplification of the whole concept of good vs bad. you need one to know what the other is. otherwise it's all just good, or all just bad - which in the end is all just the same then.
i feel like i'm repeating myself now... ever since i started posting on this blog all anyone has ever done is jump down my throat, like how dare i say anything that doesn't agree with what you all think. (and now i am playing the victim.) you say i can't understand, or i don't know, or i'm wrong, or so on and so on... it just seems so damn hypocritical. you ask for tolerance and understanding, but give none yourself.
i think perhaps i shouldn't be posting here anymore? it seems like outside opinions aren't really welcome - though you say they are - because you've already made up your minds as to what you're going to think... about everything.
@mimi and anonymous who supported me: thank-you for understanding my position. i appreciate that! =)
let me make one final point about this whole discussion (because all this responding is getting very tiring. there are just too many talking points and too many of you to respond to)
if this video is so offensive, and so disgusting and so ignorant and so racist, prejudiced, evil, horrible, wrong, stupid, etc...
then why do you spend so much time obsessing over it?
is it a dread fascination of yours, like a car wreck? or is it something uglier, some hate that you carry in yourself?
anyways, i'll leave you to your forum. thanks for your time.
it's easy to dismiss me as being "too young" or "too white" to really understand racism and/or prejudice.
But it seems from your responses, that maybe just maybe you don't fully understand or comprehend the impact of racism in this society. Why this shouldn't be acceptable in the year 2009. The stupidity of a Jewish man screaming "White Power".
t i couldn't possibly comprehend what it's like to be discriminated against. again, wrong.
You might have experienced discrimination, but obviously it isn't quite the same, because your reaction seems to be befriend racists. The other day, when I posted the "hate a white liberal" rant. Your suggestion to me was that I should try to befriend this guy, and educate him on why the term "boatnigger" might be offensive. Completely ignoring the guys condescending response to me, completely blowing off my reaction as politically correct word stifling. I presented to you a list of words I could bring back, (n*gger toes, n*gger gun, etc.) and why in my mind language should be evolving and not stay stagnant. You dismissed my anger to this man who is obviously aware of this antiquated term not being one that might win over folks. You wanted me to educate this man, as maybe he didn't know "boatnigger" was offensive, but that again puts the burden of responsibility on me, and absolves him for the responsibility of being the one who is actually offending folks.
When you completely dismiss a person's reactions to things and tell them to let everything roll of their back, it causes frustration and is one of the biggest problems of race relations today. If you don't fully understand, it will be easy for you to blow it off, for me it is reason to put it in the spotlight and prove to folks that racism isn't quite dead, and sometimes the blatant ignorance being spewed is a perfect example of why whites on average make more than their non-white counterparts.
i am asking you to ignore it because that's what works for me.
Have you ever stopped to think, that I have done this approach before. Remember, I grew up in a predominantly white area my whole life, I have had to ignore things before, I find that doesn't really stop people intent on spewing ignorance. I think in my past life I ignored things way too much, and I have decided in my old age that I don't want to ignore things anymore.
ut by acting the way you do you give this kind of thing a voice, an outlet into the world.
Racism's voice doesn't stop because I don't post this. This video has gotten worldwide attention, with or without me. If I had ignored it, it would have still happened.
i was asking you to look around at what's right in the world! you always focus on the negative, on the bad, on hate and violence and all the horrible things going on. and they do go on, every second. but do you not think there are good things going on at the exact same time? i'm not speaking specifically about the video, but about the world in this case. you might dismiss the power of laughter and/or love, but i think then that you are an idiot to do so.
I don't see it as being negative, but being a realist. If I wanted to focus on the negative, I wouldn't be married to a white man. White people have not always been my best friends through out life. Some have been downright hateful and cruel. I dismiss the fact that laughter and love do not change people's minds. That racism will still exist whether I laugh or love. I still laugh and love, just don't think the world will change because I do so. I'm not that powerful.
to assume that i can see the good because i've never had the bad is an oversimplification of the whole concept of good vs bad.
Is it really an over simplification? Or a reality. As a white jewish guy, you don't know what it is like as a black woman. I as a black woman can never know what it is like to be a white jewish guy. My husband lost his mother about six months ago,as much as I empathized and loved his mother, I can't fathom putting myself in his shoes and saying I understand what he is going through, I can't, because I still have my mother.
Ever since i started posting on this blog all anyone has ever done is jump down my throat, like how dare i say anything that doesn't agree with what you all think.
The purpose of this comments section is so people can have discussion and debate. Do you think most people even agree with me ALL of the time. Hell I have had to defend myself on my own blog more times than I care to admit. These comments aren't meant to be a cheering section, I welcome all different points of view, but as I welcome those different points of views, I will say that it is open season in the fact not everyone will agree with you. I don't necessarily agree with Grata, Toronto, or others on here (sorry to single you out guys), but I try to understand their points, and to be honest, sometimes I can't understand them, no matter how hard I try, but the purpose is to get insight and learn.
it just seems so damn hypocritical. you ask for tolerance and understanding, but give none yourself.
I feel I am pretty damn tolerant, but one thing I have lost my patience with is racism. I can't just sit silent and pretend all in the world is good. I don't feel I should educate those too lazy or ignorant to educate themselves. That is just me though.
i think perhaps i shouldn't be posting here anymore? it seems like outside opinions aren't really welcome - though you say they are - because you've already made up your minds as to what you're going to think... about everything.
You are welcome to post here and don't even think differently. So folks don't agree with you, your insight is here, it is up the the people reading to decide if they accept it or not. In this case, some of us aren't accepting it. It doesn't mean you aren't welcome here. You are. Trust me.
The important issue is that most muslim people and regimes would make the middle east jew-free if they could, and Obama is appeasing these hateful forces.
Zek you speak a lot in broad strokes to me. You speak in cliches and over used words. i will let the fact that you compared me to those guys slide. I have been reading this blog for a while now (mostly lurking) and I AM judging you SPECIFICALLY on your words. The fact that you are a white Jewish man has a lot to do with your perspective on the world and your thoughts on how to deal with a video like that, hence why I mentioned it. It wasn't my intention to make you feel like your opinion doesn't matter. It was my intention however to make you understand that just because other people do not adopt your way of doing things does not mean they are "whining" or "playing the victim" or "playing the race card" as you like to bring up. It is VERY insulting to come into a forum where the topic is race and interracial dating to continually brush off the way people feel about things. It's not enough to "befriend racists" or "let things roll off your back". It doesn't always work, and it doesn't mean the people dealing with these hardships are stupid or weak, or that they are giving someone else their emotions, it just means they are tired and they want to talk about it. is there something wrong with that Zek? Your age has a lot to do with your perspective. I am 21, not very far from your age, but I don't pretend I know everything and that what works for me will work for everyone. I know you mentioned that you thought Siddity was always "focusing on the negative" on this blog. You don't see what else goes on in her life to say that. The focus of her blog unfortunately involves some things that are unpleasant to take. Not everyone can deal with unpleasantness. However it doesn't mean we don't talk about it. I have a lot to learn, and so do you. Coming here and prescribing YOUR way of dealing with things as the only good way will not make things better. People aren't like you. Please, please PLEASE PLEASE don't stop posting because of this conversation, but always come prepared to defend your words if it comes in the form of "that said, i wouldn't take this too seriously." These topics are things that are affecting people's lives directly. They SHOULD be taken seriously i think. AGAIN don't stop contributing. I'm sorry if I upset you in any way. Take care.
I hope the Palestinians kicks the shit out of Israel. Bunch of self entitled bastards.
Zek,
You responded exactly as I thought you would. You tell us not to take racist comments seriously then "scold us" for making comments that you feel are racist. In other words, it's ok to offend blacks but don't offend Jews. Jews are deserving of no more or less respect than any other group.
Zek what I don't think you understand is. Black people have been treated like we don't matter since before this country was called America. You would think by now race relations would be alot less tense. They are better but the hate towards us is still palpable. Just because we express our feelings over what those kids said does not mean we are hateful. Even is some comments are hateful. Most comments are not hateful. I don't excuse anyone's racism. It can piss some off but who would not be. This is a discussion board. Discussing race issues is never pretty. You sound a little naive. I think it's great that you can turn the other cheek,but it's easier for you to. No one sees a Jew when they see you. Unless you are walking around with a Tshirt stating you are a Jew, you will not be discriminated in the way blacks have been. you will truly have to walk in our shoes. You may never understand. To come on here and make light of how some people feel is kind of arrogant. You have to be prepared to come to boards discussing race and not expect pretty.
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The important issue is that most muslim people and regimes would make the middle east jew-free if they could, and Obama is appeasing these hateful forces.
Why is it assumed that most muslims are on par with most of the extremist muslims? Why is it ok to appease to Israel, but not to the muslim countries. Can you please enlighten me?
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It doesn't always work, and it doesn't mean the people dealing with these hardships are stupid or weak, or that they are giving someone else their emotions, it just means they are tired and they want to talk about it
I don't think he understands this. This is well stated!!!
I'm not anti-semitic at all. It's very annoying and pathetic, when if you're against Israel people think it equates to being so.
I'm not at all religious, so I believe the whole Israel thing is BS
I stand by what I’ve said and I STRESS: “Do BETTER or VANISH, there’s too many of you making up the majority.” What can we be proud of TODAY?
Sid said: “If people with these beliefs go into corporate America, they can justify not hiring me, even with more education and work experience.” This is why we need to do better and get in respectable positions where we can fly our own plane and have others come to us to book their seat on it. It’s disturbing to sit in lectures with hundreds of students of all races and be able to count on ONE hand the other black faces besides mine. Where are the rest of you? If I do decide to start up my own business later on, who’s to blame if I’m the only black person in the company? Who shall we blame that on?
Heh. Isn’t it interesting how I can be referred to by my city’s name? Look at all the anonymous’ that have appeared since my first post. I hear no fuss. Yet, “Toronto” gets a certain person’s panties bunched up her ass, why?
@Sid: I enjoy your blog and I’ve been reading it off and on for almost a year now. Just thought I’d add my point of view from Canada with love!
Orchid said: “Please, please PLEASE PLEASE don't stop posting because of this conversation...”
Wow! Why are you begging this fool? This is really sickening.
This was me:
Orchid said: “Please, please PLEASE PLEASE don't stop posting because of this conversation...”
Wow! Why are you begging this fool? This is really sickening.
I think I forgot my "anonymous" name;)
The unspoken truth about the fighting in Gaza, which began on December 19, 2008, when Hamas rockets broke a voluntary truce, is that this is the frontline of a much larger war. This war began 30 years ago with the Islamic Revolution in Iran and is now global in scope. Its agenda is the extermination of the Jews and the destruction of the West.
The Islamic terrorist organization Hamas makes no secret of this agenda. Its Egyptian founders and Palestinian inspirers were active followers of Adolf Hitler and enthusiasts of the Nazi Holocaust. The founding charter of Hamas, which promises that “Islam will obliterate Israel,” memorializes the Egyptian admirer of Hitler, Hassan al-Banna, as “the martyr…of blessed memory.” The same document contains the genocidal incitement of the Prophet Mohammed to “kill the Jews,” to hunt them down “until they hide behind the rocks and the trees, and the rocks and trees cry out ‘O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”
In 2006, these Islamic Nazis took possession of the Gaza Strip, which is unoccupied except by Hamas and is Jew-less (because the Palestinians would kill any Jews that moved in their state). Hamas has turned Gaza into a terrorist fortress, launching rockets into Israeli schoolyards, hospitals, and townships, and launching them from Palestinian schoolyards, hospitals, and townships to ensure that the maximum number of civilians – both Jews and Muslims – would die for their cause. They will win the Armageddon they are planning, they boast, because “the Jews love life and we love death.”
And all around the world, and across Europe and throughout the United States, Muslim and secular radicals are rallying to this Nazi cause, supporting Hamas and attacking Israel and the Jews. The unholy alliance formed by Muslim fanatics and socialist radicals is the face of the terrorist future in the West. It is a coalition for whom no party is so evil that it does not deserve aid and comfort if its enemies are Israel and the United States, and if it is willing to attack them.
The wars in the Middle East are the frontline of the Islamic Nazi offensive – a 60-year aggression of Muslim Arabs against the Jews, rationalized at each turn by epic lies that resonate with radicals in the West: that the Arab aggressors are the victims; that the Jews stole Arab land (Israel in fact was created out of the ruins of the Turkish empire); that there is a Palestinian entity that wants peace with the state of Israel (there is none – there is not a single Palestinian leader – who supports the existence of a Jewish state).
The Palestinians are the only people in history to have a majority support a national death cult, to worship the murderers of little children (including their own), and to proclaim the murderers saints and “martyrs.” The father of Palestinian Nationalism, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was an acolyte and ally of Hitler who preached the extermination of the Jews and planned to construct his own death camps for Jews in the Middle East. The miseries Palestinians have suffered are self-inflicted, the inevitable consequence of staking their national ambitions on the genocide of another people, while embracing a death cult for themselves.
Their allies in the West are either stupendously ignorant or morally blind. Like many of Siditty's political comrades in the secular and religious Left, she has joined the forces of Islamic barbarism that are ranged against the civilized people of America and Israel. And she is only one of many. In the midst of the global war that radical Islam has declared on the West, the conflict in Gaza has revealed the presence of a fifth column in the West so detached from its own communities and civilized values that it now constitutes a clear and present danger to our survival.
what hate speech leads to
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/10/museum.shooting/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
@Orchid:I honestly mean no harm and hope you don’t think I’m picking at you. I actually agreed with the beginning of your 5:26am post, but then got to the quote I already stated as well as this end part which overshadows all that you wrote:
“AGAIN don't stop contributing. I'm sorry if I upset you in any way. Take care.”
Did you not LISTEN to HIS response? This is what I’m hearing: “I’m sorry for offending you even though you offended me and continue to DEFEND your garbage.” Tell me I’m wrong! We’re just a bit TOO compassionate; we continue to believe that trying to ‘understand’ everyone will somehow ‘make a difference’ and ‘help’...who? Surely they aren’t trying too hard to understand us. These people BELIEVE what they say *that’s why they say it*, no matter how much compassion or “listening ears” that we provide them, they will go on believing what THEY WANT.
This reminds me of an incident from one of my last years in high school when there was a group project. We had MONTHS to work on it and the thing was due in a few days. This one chick didn’t do an ounce of work and I called her ass out on it. Her response to a simple, you need to get something done or else you’re getting zero: [a bunch of cussing... then]: “atleast I’m not black.”
*scratches head* o-KAY. (???)
And the one Jamaican girl in our group turns to ME: [insert cussing... then}: “Maybe she was busy, TORONTO!” and then to princess lily: “I’m sorry, we’ll all get together after school and work on it.” In which the little Zek turns to this @#!%&!!, smiles ‘innocently’ and says: “Jamaican Girl, I didn’t mean YOU, “only” Toronto.”
I am deeply afraid; the enemy is within! Hopefully someone can explain why I won’t be surprised if responses like this start pouring in: “Oh Toronto, you deserved that, if you just kept your damn mouth shut she wouldn’t have said it. You asked for it!”
To the Anon at June 10th 3:30pm, again I say I hope that the Palestinians kick the shit out of Israel.
Sincerley yours
The Left.
Wow, I lurk here more than post and this is certainly an interesting (and sometimes heated) discussion.
Zek, although I can see some merits in your strategy (I think getting explosively angry over every racial injustice that happens is probably bad for one's health), repeatedly dismissing the offensiveness of incidents like this makes people complacent, and in a sense justifies racism. I known some people who've done just that to their own detriment. A friend of mine at school (she's from Texas) has not-so-subtly revealed that her "best friends" from back home are racist. In her words they "say things they shouldn't say around certain (read: Black) people," but she's never gotten angry at them, or called them out, etc. So they are still racist and still treat her like their personal Mammy.
To let people treat you (the general you) that way reeks of low self-esteem to me, because you are basically saying "I don't deserve better so I should accomodate myself to others' prejudice." If you (the specific you) confronted some racists and they realized the error of their ways, everyone hugged and made-up, blah, blah, blah, good for you for opening someone's eyes. But if they are still using racial slurs toward you or people "like" you then all you've done is given them the green light to act ignorant. Frankly, since there are 6 billion people and counting on this earth, I sure as hell don't feel the need to "lower" myself for any one individual to keep up the facade of "post-racial America."
I don't discount any of your opinions because of age, since I am likely younger than you, but it would be interesting to explore whether letting things roll off your back, in your experience, has made people recognize and correct their ignorance or whether it's just made them less vocal about their views. You mentioned that your friends didn't stop being prejudiced, so I'm not seeing how you can present that as a "success story."
On another note, it's really not fair to admonish Siditty for making a "mountain out of a molehill" about the video by "making a mountain out of a molehill" of her response to it yourself. As far as I know, she wrote about it on her personal blog. She didn't call the Huffington post, organize a boycott, or start a letter-writing campaign. To label her worldview as negative solely from her blog posts seems like reaching, IMO.
To Anon on June 10, 2009 at 3:30 -
Isn't Google wonderful? And it only takes a few minutes *rolls eyes*
http://www.thejerusalemgiftshop.com/israelnews/editorial/38-editors-choice/669-the-war-against-the-jews.html
This idiot who doesn't have the brains to type and collect thoughts of his own obviously copied and pasted this essay which is titled "The War Against the Jews".
The joys of whacko neo-cons...
"that isn't the case, and frankly i find THAT to be as condescending as you say i am being. you assume that my life is "easy" and that i couldn't possibly comprehend what it's like to be discriminated against. again, wrong. i grew up in southern california, right next to huntington beach. hanging out there, you'd see neo-nazis and skinheads and other stupid "white power" subgroups all the time. but instead of letting them get to me, i tried to empathize with them, and eventually some of them became close friends of mine. they didn't stop being entirely prejudiced and ignorant, but they did learn to accept me as a human being, and not a stereotype. i ask that ya'll do the same."
I actually agree with Zek J Evets. Maybe its because we're both young. I believe we're all human at the end of the day and the one thing that drives prejudice is fear and when you're afraid of something you want to get rid of that something, right? Well, if you can get past your fear and only see that we're all human beings and not out to get one another, then i think that helps alot and can assuage alot of prejudice people have. Think about remember the titans. He was afraid of the guy who ended up being his bf. So I agree w/ Zek on that point. I think you should keep posting, people are just getting worked up everyone goes through periods like that. I have and I've had to take a step back and realize that its a hell of a lot easier focusing on the joys in the life than the sorrows. that's something i'm working on. So I agree with Zek.
"In her words they "say things they shouldn't say around certain (read: Black) people," but she's never gotten angry at them, or called them out, etc. So they are still racist and still treat her like their personal Mammy."
Hey guys, there's a difference between being dismissive and simply changing the way you approach bigotry. MLK was not dismissive, he voiced his opinion, but its how you approach bigotry that matters. .
Toronto, I don't view it as being weak. I reacted in a way that was not productive to his response. I want to make progress, not stall the conversation with anger. I want to understand the person, i want to be warm to the person, and if that doesn't work, if in the end they don't even consider my perspective and continue to spew b.s. then I will go my way. I was begging him to stay and contribute because if he runs away then he learns nothing. i would like for him to see things from another perspective, void of anger and hatred. He needs to stay and evaluate why he thinks this way, and why others think the way they do and why what others do in certain situations make sense for them, in their world view. Running him off with rudeness means he learns nothing and he is left feeling, bitter, resentful, and with little knowledge about the other side of the coin. I don't want that. I don't think there is anything sickening about that.
@siditty: thank-you. i will admit i got a little defensive about everything near the end there.
if my experience is different from yours, and that neither of us can possible comprehend the other's, then i think that only gives you more reason to listen to what i say, because i'm coming from a position that you've never experienced.
and at the same time, i will work to understand yours.
@orchid: if my words feel cliched or broad to you, then it's probably because i am talking about pretty abstract issues like hate/ignorance/rhetoric, and i want you to understand what i am saying - so i sacrifice originality for meaning.
i do not think that my way is the best way, or even a good way, the only way, or whatever kinda way. it's just mine, and i was just suggesting it (albeit, strongly). i know that i don't know everything, but i do know something, and i shouldn't fail to use that knowledge as best as i may.
also, i meant that siditty focuses on the negative in HER BLOG, more than the positive. (kinda thought that was obvious, because i don't really know her in real life. but it wasn't i guess? sorry.)
@jamesthegirl: i don't think mine was a "success story" - seems like too simple a way of encapsulating a complex thing like having racist and/or prejudiced friends.
i just felt that instead of getting angry about it, i showed through my actions (and partially through my words) that jews are not this ignorant thing they hate so much. i accepted them and tried to understand them, and through that they learned to do the same. maybe not to others, but at least for me they did. and maybe when they meet another jew, they won't be so quick to beat him up or call him names.
i made them see me as a person by being one.
i don't see this as giving in to this kind of behavior. i see it as changing it - the hard way, true, but still change. i see it as a different method of dealing with hatred than most people prefer to do.
obviously it doesn't work for everyone.
and yes, you're right. siditty didn't make as big a deal out of the video as she could have. but when you go out looking for things with an agenda, you're going to find it. does it not say on the front page "angry & black since 1976" ? maybe it is "reaching" to call her worldview negative solely from this blog, but, like you said, IT IS her personal blog. seems like a solid-place to make a guess to me...
@lormarie: does anticipating my remarks somehow make them less plausible? i anticipated your antagonism, but does that make your opinion less valid? i "scold" you because you're committing hypocrisy. i don't care about your attempts to offend me insomuch as they contradict your own words. you don't like jews offending blacks, but then go and try to offend a jew while raging against those guys in the video. does that make sense to you?
@all: thanks for accepting me to continue posting on here. i was mostly saying that rhetorically, but i'm glad you don't mind my (apprently?) controversial perspective here.
Orchid: "He needs to stay and evaluate why he thinks this way, and why others think the way they do and why what others do in certain situations make sense for them, in their world view. Running him off with rudeness means he learns nothing and he is left feeling, bitter, resentful, and with little knowledge about the other side of the coin. I don't want that.”
I’m glad to know what you want and your ideal outcome but what does HE want?
I’ll say it again: “We’re just a bit TOO compassionate; we continue to believe that trying to ‘understand’ everyone will somehow ‘make a difference’ and ‘help’...who?”
It is beyond sickening because now you defend it. Makes my f*ckin skin crawl! Good luck.
To the Anon at June 10th 3:30pm, again I say I hope that the Palestinians kick the shit out of Israel.
Sincerley yours
The Left.
Anon, please don't stoop to this guy's level. I'm obviously left myself I don't wish harm to come of Israel at all. I also want peace for the Palestinians as well. You're no better then he(or she)is when you incite violence as a way to solve problems.
Mimis just another anti-semtic left wing asshole. Instead of debating the issues she calls anon names. Evrything written in the article was on point. Blacks are so racist. But again most Jews have accoplished great things. Black people are failures. Check out all of the Nobel prize winners. How many are Jewish and how many are blacks. The anti-semitic left is truly sad.
Zek,
Although I can see what you mean, I guess I don't understand why you would bother to befriend people like that? I could argue that by going to a university that's predominantly White I'm showing people that all Black people aren't XYZ, but I don't deliberately seek out people to "educate" them. I'm sure there are racist people on campus, but unless they harrass me or actively try to hinder my success, I really don't care what they think. If it were an organic situation, like if you were assigned to work on a class project with those people, I would understand why you'd be forced to be proactive, but if not, then why not just do your own thing and let them do the same?
I'm partially confused by your terminology. You labelled them neo-Nazis and skinheads, so I assumed we weren't talking about your run-of-the-mill person with some prejudicial beliefs. I guess I could see the value in engaging with the latter, someone who thinks somewhat stereotypically but is "harmless," but not so much the former, who I perceive as someone who actively persecutes others.
I believe you mean well, and I'm sure things don't come across easily online (I'm having difficulty putting my thoughts together right now), but what you've said comes off as a "savior" mentality, i.e., let's pat ourselves on the back for teaching people how not to be racist! I would propose that for the people you encountered at the extreme end of the spectrum, the generalization doesn't happen. Sure they don't treat you badly anymore, but it's the age-old excuse: You aren't like the others. And that just jumps off into tokenism and a bunch of other mess. I guess on that I would agree with Siditty: it's not my job to deliver people from their ignorance. I might do so just by being myself, but I certainly won't ever go on any soul-saving missions, and I don't think anyone should have to. I'll just do my thing, whether anyone else takes notice and learns from that is on him/her.
Anonymous @ 8:13PM,
I'm not sure why age keeps getting brought up (not just you) because I'm 20-years-old and not fully in either camp so I don't think it's an "old school" vs. "new school" thing. But I'm actually not disagreeing with you (or Zek). My issue is, when are ignorant people expected to take responsibility for their own actions? This:
Well, if you can get past your fear and only see that we're all human beings and not out to get one another, then i think that helps alot and can assuage alot of prejudice people have.
seems like something they need to hear, no?
My point is, reaching out to people is good. But at some point, they have to be willing to meet you halfway or more. Just like an alcoholic has to want to stop drinking, a racist has to want to learn about other people and let go of stereotypes. I am just wary of the extreme, which encourages the victims to just let it slide, because that sounds to me like the equivalent of the "Walk with your head down, eyes to the ground" BS that people followed (because of a lack of options) during and before the Civil Rights Movement.
"Mimis just another anti-semtic left wing asshole. Instead of debating the issues she calls anon names. Evrything written in the article was on point. Blacks are so racist. But again most Jews have accoplished great things. Black people are failures. Check out all of the Nobel prize winners. How many are Jewish and how many are blacks. The anti-semitic left is truly sad."
Ah! So I finally meet the copy-and-paste king. Nice spelling you got going there. I'm guessing you were one of the racist Jews in that clip Siditty posted??
Another "Anonymous" neo-con twat who's too sissified to expose his or herself to the surface. How sad.
It's funny how you accuse me of being anti-semetic when you just posted anti-Black rant, my dear. How hypocritical.
This is a prime example of a Jewish racist. Too bad warmongers like yourself think anyone who doesn't agree with Israel lording over Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and who doesn't agree with the U.S eating in the palm of their hand is an anti-semitic. Go figure.
As I've stated before, (you were probably too lazy to read it) I desire for peace between Israel and the Palestinians. However I am pretty damn tired of the U.S wiping Israel's ass on a consistant basis. If Israel wants to be a Jewish state, good for them, but they should do it without us. They chose to live in a geographical area where it is predominately Muslim and therefore THEY should be able to take care of themselves. Got that?
And you say Blacks are the ones who always pull the race card. People like yourself constantly pull the "anti-semitic" card then quickly follow it with a racist diatribe against Blacks. Grow up.
And by the way, since you're too lazy to write up a paragraph of your own at least cite the website it came from, moron.
"@mimi and anonymous who supported me: thank-you for understanding my position. i appreciate that! =)"
No problem. =)
You better keep posting here, Zek.
*sighness* my opinion doesn't really matter on both sides, and it won't matter what I say to either Toronto or Zek or anyone. Maybe it have a more promising outcome if we were all face to face. It is easy to dismiss each others thoughts when we don't have to get to know each others human beings and think realistically about these "abstract" topics.
I just found the video appalling, sad and I find nothing wrong with talking about it on a blog that is focused on dealing with problems like this. It might be "specks of dust" to some people like Zek but to others it permeates everything, not because they LET it, but because this BS spills over into their schools and their work space. Those people are not in the Israeli government but they have people they learned those views from. Their views aren't limited to that space, lets not pretend. This hatred will have a voice whether or not people chose to dismiss.
""Well, if you can get past your fear and only see that we're all human beings and not out to get one another, then i think that helps alot and can assuage alot of prejudice people have."
seems like something they need to hear, no?
My point is, reaching out to people is good. But at some point, they have to be willing to meet you halfway or more. Just like an alcoholic has to want to stop drinking, a racist has to want to learn about other people and let go of stereotypes. I am just wary of the extreme, which encourages the victims to just let it slide, because that sounds to me like the equivalent of the "Walk with your head down, eyes to the ground" BS that people followed (because of a lack of options) during and before the Civil Rights Movement."
I wholeheartedly agree JamestheGirl.
@Orchid: I believe you are a caring soul and I’m trying to understand and hear where you’re coming from. Personally, I find it a waste of time. I don’t want to ‘understand’ the Zek’s, screw em! That same energy can be put toward bettering ME and leaving those fools in the dust.
I also agree with some of the things jamesthegirl28 has said. This is what I was trying to get across to you about begging that fool and how she explained it... couldn’t have said it better myself:
“To let people treat you (the general you) that way reeks of low self-esteem to me, because you are basically saying "I don't deserve better so I should accomodate myself to others' prejudice." If you (the specific you) confronted some racists and they realized the error of their ways, everyone hugged and made-up, blah, blah, blah, good for you for opening someone's eyes. But if they are still using racial slurs toward you or people "like" you then all you've done is given them the green light to act ignorant.”
June 10, 2009 5:42 PM
Replace the slurs with continually defending his ignorance and- I can’t see a difference.
Haven't read all the comments, but my question is if Jews are so racist, why did almost 78% vote for President Obama?
Yes, of course, there are some racist Jews. There are some racist Arabs who enslave Black Africans in such countries as Sudan and Mauritania. There are some racist Blacks who loathe the dark-skinned variation of their own kind.
It should never be shocking to anyone that Jews, like every other group, have their good and their bad. Obama can take it.
Jamdown's comment -
"Haven't read all the comments, but my question is if Jews are so racist, why did almost 78% vote for President Obama?
Yes, of course, there are some racist Jews. There are some racist Arabs who enslave Black Africans in such countries as Sudan and Mauritania. There are some racist Blacks who loathe the dark-skinned variation of their own kind.
It should never be shocking to anyone that Jews, like every other group, have their good and their bad. Obama can take it."
Agree wholeheartedly.
I believe that the beauty of forums such as these is that differences of opinion can be discussed and that it is ok to disagree without being disagreeable. I can look at anyone's opinion here and find something in it to agree on. I can also find things to disagree with. I think that Zak brings an interesting and valuable point of view to this discussion. It is not often that I hear the views of a
just one more thing Toronto. i don't hang around people who degrade me or the people who look like me. I don't have anyone like that around me in my life because there is no space for them. I have actually been very unforgiving of people outside of the interwebs. Just because i am interested in making some progress through kindness doesn't mean I'm weak. I don't tolerate bigotry, but if i can work to eradicate it I'm not going to pass it up. It doesn't feel like an obligation to me and my dignity is not something that can be taken away or worn away by outside forces. No matter what it will be intact. Just sayin'
@toronto: "Personally, I find it a waste of time. I don’t want to ‘understand’ the Zek’s, screw em! That same energy can be put toward bettering ME and leaving those fools in the dust."
seems you're a bit selfish and/or close-minded there toronto... do you really think that focusing on just yourself is going to stop the kind of idiocy we saw in the video?
i don't see my actions as defending ignorance but rather combating it in a way that replaces it with understanding. maybe you choose to interpret it that way because i don't get angry or antagonistic? honestly, i find that TALKING with a person, and SHOWING them how they're wrong is far more effective than throwing the hate right back in their face.
you might call me a fool, but it doesn't make it so. why can't you understand that? if you did, then maybe you'd be less inclined to get pissed-off and try see what causes bigotry in the first place.
@orchid: i think your opinion matters, and even if we were face to face we'd have these kinds of disagreements. hell, they'd probably be worse.
i think your concern about this spilling over into schools and work-places, and permeating everything is a slippery-slope fallacy. you assume that hatred will have a voice no matter what, but not if we choose not to listen.
@jamesthegirl: they are Neo-Nazis, which doesn't have anything to do with Nazism per se, but more to do with antisemitism and music. Same for skinheads and other white-power subcultures.
actually, i didn't really set out to "save" them or befriend them. it just happened because lived in the same area and frequented the same places. when you have to deal with someone on a daily basis, you either learn to live together or you kill each other, haha.
i can see your point about tokenism and that people should take responsibility for their own actions/beliefs, but since i didn't really set out to change them - it just kind of happened - i didn't really expect any miracles. if they see me as some kind of exception and go on hating, then i did the best that i could. but you never know...
i don't think (most) people know what they want - and while some go through hell to find out, many are content to be ignorant. it's not our job to educate people, but i do think that if we left it up to the bigots, they'd probably be just happy to go on hating. it takes confronting someone with what they're doing, what they're assuming and how it affects other people.
at least, that's what i've seen.
but your skepticism is healthy, and i'm as wary of extremes as you are.
@ZeK: Who’s pissed off? It’s selfish to avoid ignorant people and use the same energy I would have spent trying to get them to “understand” me and focus it on doing better for myself is selfish? So be it.
I surround myself with people who care for me like I do them. Let’s not fool ourselves, even open-mind’s need to have a filter of some kind.
"When was the last time anyone outside of the interwebs used that "card" with you? It's just so insulting, seriously."
Thanks Orchid.
As per the slavery card, that normally gets used when the discussion is about Affirmative action.
And in case people like Zek don't get it, Affirmative action encompasses all minorities including White women.
The card used by blacks the most is the race card, and it would not be necessary if racism didn;t exist. As long as racism exists, the race card will continue to be used.
Who does the holocaust card help except for the Jews?
So clearly the function of the Slavery card and the holocaust card are way different and can not be equated.
"what i was pointing out is how your actions are hypocritical to your argument - that prejudicial speech is hurtful and should be condemned. you don't like what the guys in the video said, but then when i make an opinion about it that conflicts with yours, you put up racist and/or prejudiced cartoons. does that make sense? you say one thing and then do another."
LOL! Now if there is anything that sums you up, its you accurate display of hypocrisy here. First you instruct us on how to deal with attacks from racist Jews. Then you claim that you don't let that stuff get to you. As an experiment I post something that, even I find offensive, and you pretend first that you are not offended and then in the same breath accuse me of being hateful for posting the offensive stuff.
For the record, I don't regret posting them because your true nature has been exposed. You are too good at playing the victim, I swear I definitely can't compete. Now atleast you know how blacks feel when confronted with Jewish racism. GOOD!
"but i am suggesting ways that work for me, because i've been discriminated against too. (in fact, by black people as much as anyone else, like how you were doing earlier.)"
I bet you, you can't show me where I discriminated against you as a Jew. I am highly observant and critical of Black's relations with themselves and others. I always am. And one of the relations I often call into question is that with Jews. IMO its an unbalanced and unhealthy relationship. Is pointing out facts discriminating against Jews? Are we supposed to look the other way while we get used and abused? This is you again playing victim.
I have always had much admiration for Jews, but reality and justice for human nature dictates that we act accordingly and honor the dignity of all. Jews have struggled for their much deserved dignity but at this point in history the balance is tipping at the expense of other groups. Should we pretend they are not humans? Should blacks blindly support the Jewish agenda with out any reciprocity? Should they accept Jewish racism? NO!
Too bad that we have to call you guys out and you don't like it.
Interesting that their antics were brushed aside as drunken frat boy fun. Why is it OK to get drunk and proceed to spout racist filth if that wasn’t in your heart to being with. The seeds of hate were already there or else if drunk they would have talked about something else instead of descending into a incoherent tirade about Obama and Black people. As another poster has mentioned, Mel Gibson was publicly vilified for his anti-semitc rant when he was stone drunk. The Anti Defamation League condemned his rantings and hounded him until he issued a public apology for his faux pas. Therefore it is apparent that there were a lot of Jews and others who were sufficiently appalled about that they took action and felt that being inebriated does not in any way absolve you from losing that kind of verbal and emotional control. Thus, Mel Gibson a rich white men, any different than a bunch of over-privileged White kids partying on their parents dime, getting drunk and publicly espousing their hate for Black people.
And why as always are Blacks told without fail to brush it off, let it slide, its only words and to turn the other cheek? This attitude of meek, suffering at the expense of being allowed to voice your moral outrage (of course only if you are a white man who have this preternatural ability to see truth—because Blacks only whine and play a variety of different decks to bluff their way out of taking responsibility for their dire predicament) appears to be the only position that Blacks were allowed to take because then we would be too angry, scary, and racist. The worst part is that meek acceptance and non-confrontational debate has hardly ever worked. Organizing, protesting and fighting seems to be the only means that Blacks in this country and by extension, across the globe, were able to fight varying degrees of oppression. What is even more interesting is that Elie-Wiesel, holocaust survivor, in his book Night, noticed that important point as Jews were being rounded up and sent to the camps. The Author was angry in retrospect, about how so many Jews packed their bags and willing went off with the Nazi solders to the ghettos before they were shipped to the camps and wonders, why didn’t they protest, why didn’t they fight, why did so many willing and meekly go to be slaughtered. In the beginning many Jews didn't take Hitler too seriously and regretted it.
Thus, appeasing, ignoring, hoping, straining your best to show that you aren't like all those other Blacks, while being so dangerously magnanimous has only become an engraved invitation to nullify Black humanity and perpetually place in the category of that Other thing, of which Whites have no intention of understanding, identifying and seeing as anything other than a pox that should be eradicated. You cannot reason, cajole or change this deeply engraved cultural meme at the expense of neglecting your community and your own Self. No other race, ethnicity, or tribe does this, yet Blacks continue to do so.
@DarkMoon
You, Sir/Madam, are brilliant.
Let those rasicts enjoy Israel while they can. Many black people in Africa and the African diaspora are the TRUE descendants of Israel/Isarelites and the Heaveny Father will give us back our land soon enough. As soon as we TRULY start obeying his laws and commandments! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlhPGVtKxJg
"I work with so many of them. I wonder why the fuck they hate blacks and Obama so much. What have blacks done to the fucking Jews? Fuck 'em. Racist fucking whiney bitches. Assholes. Go fall asleep in a gas chamber cunts."
wow...that's a bit over the top. yeah those kids said some f*cked up shit, but don't take it out on all jewish people. I imagine most of the normal israeli people would want peace as much as anyone else, who wants to have to constantly worry about getting their ass blown up all the time? i know plenty of jews who are tired of the fighting just as much as anyone else. I mean racism is racism, lets not try and correct racism with more racism. also i'm black and i mean most of jews I know don't hate blacks anymore than the average wasp does, well probably a bit less actually so... don't kno what to say about that.
June 7, 2009 3:40 PM
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Hey, you know what you are the reason WHY blacks are being shitted on today.
Pure example, right here.
I agree wholeheartedly what the first poster said. You, a black person, mostly like someone who is with a jew, is sitting up here saying "don't blame all the jews" while at the SAME time those jews BLAME ALL BLACK PEOPLE for the actions of one. What the hell is YOUR problem??? THose people don't give a f*ck about you. And you are saying "these kids" like they are some innocent miscreants who slipped off their mouths.
This is what I don't get. Black people are so quick to call EACH OTHER out on "racist" behavior, but do you see OTHER ethnic groups condemn their behavior???? WHere are the JEWS who condemn this behavior?? You're too busy calling someone else out, thinking you are "so good" while at the same time, many other persons would let that slide. An eye for an eye, is what MANY people follow. Black people don't do it. We just turn the other cheek. It's sad and sickening. We are the ONLY group of people who DON"T fight fire with fire.
Iran can blow Israel off the face of the earth for all I care. My taxdollars are better spent someone else.
And again what has BLACK PEOPLE have done to deserve this??????
And I typed this BEFORE I read Darkmoon's brilliant take on the matter. She summed it up exactly, and has EXACTLY the same thoughts on the matter.
Brilliant!
Anyone who generalizes a group of people based on the actions of an individual is an idiot. I don't care if its Jews or Black people. The situation with Iran is very complicated and their relationship with the Jews has been bitterly dysfunctional for centuries. I don't know if there will ever be a solution that both sides will be happy with.Having hate in your heart for a group of people is not going to solve any problems. I just refuse to believe that ALL Jews hate Black people and Obama. I have many Jewish friends and I've never felt like they hated me.
^^Again, here's another pure example RIGHT HERE.
Thank you, you have proven my point.
Guess who was the FIRST one to condemn MY statements, but don't have a damn thing to say about the people who are brushing the off the "white power" comments and the downplaying the whole scenario like it's "slip of the tongue". OOps. I guess they don't have to apologized for their ridiculous behavior and racist antics. This poster is SO QUICK to label me but don't have a damn thing to say about the lack of response and condemnation from Jewish groups and organizations. I wonder why?
Man please, GTFOH, with your crap, defending a group of people that does NOT give a damn about you or your existence. ANd it is equally disgusting that these bloggers are saying "kids" like it applies here. Real kids are innocent. Kids don't know any better. These are racist, anti-black, anti-American, drug-inflicted HOOLIGANS, whose bleeding my taxdollars dry. True welfare recipients.
And if they did care, where's the Jews that are CONDEMNING these statements? WHere are the Jewish "friends" that condemn the racist apartheid practices of the Israeli state? Why are they are labeling the filmakers to be self-hating?
Until you truthfully answer my question then you have absolutely nothing more you can say to me.
Because I'm not the one who is trying to impress my Jewish "friends" saying the false rhetoric of "blacks can be racist too".
I stand by what I said.
I don't know who you are addressing, but I was not even talking about you, I was making a general comment. If you want to believe that all Jews are evil and everyone is against Black people then fine. It sounds like you need to spend more time in a therapist's chair than on a blog. I'm done, I have better things to do with my time that argue with a screen identity. Agree to disagree....
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Yeah, that's what I thought. YOu have "better" things to do, but yet you are right back here commenting on what I said. On the same day no less.
LMAO! You are one sorry excuse for a human being. And a coward at that. Telling me what I should do, YOU need to worry about YOUR OWN well being, or lack of thereof.
And until someone proves me wrong and answers my questions, my comments still stand, period.
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