As you guys are all probably aware, George Sodini opened fire at a gym killing three, injuring others, and killing himself. You probably are all aware that Sodini had a blog that basically outlined his intentions.
He was a 48 year old white man upset that women had rejected him. In his own words:
Moving into Christmas again. No girlfriend since 1984, last Christmas with Pam was in 1983. Who knows why. I am not ugly or too weird. No sex since July 1990 either (I was 29). No shit! Over eighteen years ago. And did it maybe only 50-75 times in my life. Getting to think that a woman now would just, uh, get in the way of things. Isolated. I have extra money and enjoy traveling, too, wtih my 25-30 days of vacation. LA was the best! But going alone is not too fun.
“I actually look good. I dress good, am clean-shaven, bathe, touch of cologne — yet 30 million women rejected me — over an 18 or 25-year period. That is how I see it. Thirty million is my rough guesstimate of how many desirable single women there are."
He seems upset at the world and felt that he wasn't complete without a woman, even though the man apparently had a very nice job as a systems analyst at a law firm, not a job considered menial or low wage I wouldn't think. He seemed successful in most areas of life, and typically for men, the belief of being single and successful is a positive, not a negative, there isn't a push for men to get married like there is for women, or is there? He even brags about having extra money and being able to travel, and that women get in the way.
“A man needs a woman for confidence. He gets a boost on the job, career, with other men, and everywhere else when he knows inside he has someone to spend the night with and who is also a friend.”
Was a woman going to really do this for him? By his own accounts he had survived lay offs at his job and received a raise even in "this shitty Obama economy", so where does this anger come from?
It seems he blamed his lack of a women, not just on women themselves, but on black men and Obama winning the election:
Planned to do this in the summer but figure to stick around to see the election outcome. This particular one got so much attention and I was just curious. Not like I give a flying fcuk who won, since this exit plan was already planned. Good luck to Obama! He will be successful. The liberal media LOVES him. Amerika has chosen The Black Man. Good! In light of this I got ideas outside of Obama's plans for the economy and such. Here it is: Every black man should get a young white girl hoe to hone up on. Kinda a reverse indentured servitude thing. Long ago, many a older white male landowner had a young Negro wench girl for his desires. Bout' time tables are turned on that shit. Besides, dem young white hoez dig da bruthrs! LOL. More so than they dig the white dudes! Every daddy know when he sends his little girl to college, she be bangin a bruthr real good. I saw it. "Not my little girl", daddy says! (Yeah right!!) Black dudes have thier choice of best white hoez. You do the math, there are enough young white so all the brothers can each have one for 3 or 6 months or so.
Did Sodini think this was going to happen? That all the white women would run to black men and that all the black men would happily take them? Did he think the white women weren't taking him and instead choosing black men over him? Is Obama getting elected the cause for these white women wanting black men?
His entries tend to indicate that he was looking for an ideal woman. He appeared to be into younger women, and he wanted someone "attractive". He also had unresolved issues with his family, and was a recovering alcoholic, except that it appears in the last month, he had been drinking again.
I just looked out my front window and saw a beautiful college-age girl leave Bob Fox's house, across the street. I guess he got a good lay today. College girls are hoez. I masturbate. Frequently. He is about 45 years old. She was a long haired, hot little hottie with a beautiful bod. I masturbate. Frequently. Some were simply meant to walk a lonely path in life. I don't usually look out, but just happened to notice. Holy fuck. I have masturbated since age 13. Thanks, mum and brother (by blood alone). And dad, old man, for TOTALLY ignoring me through the years. All of you DEEPLY helped me be this way.
I wish I can go back to 1975 and fix things. Awe, that wont work, big BULLY BROTHER would assert his bull shit. He was twice my size. He never messed with guys bigger than 5'10, or so. He is a PUSSY at heart. Remember, Michael is my brother (we have common parents, that's all) is still a BOSS. Repetition only for emphasis: HE IS ONLY A BULLY, even at 50ish! Never forget that! Because he exudes confidence. People believe bull shit if delivered WITH CONFIDENCE. Get it??
On the same thought, things occured to me today. Michael NEVER had an attractive girlfriend. Debbie, Barb, Kim, ... then I lost track. Not to say I had any (execpt Pam, who was about a 7.25). He married a Chinese-descent, petite woman with no body, no ass, no chest and no personality. She never laughs or smiles, neither does he. But she is highly intelligent and an excellent cook. I can testify to that! She home bakes her own DELICIOUS wheat bread! But who cares about that type of small bull crap? Mike even mentioned when we were visiting dad that "she's not very attractive".
I don't know where I am going with this. I am getting tired, feels good to write and get it all out.
On still another thought, I had 20+ years of sobriety and achieved nothing about friendships, girlfriends, guys, etc. Zilch. What a waste.
In post racial America it seems that some people feel that whites are discriminated against and suffer at the expense of women and minorities. Did Sodini fit the profile of a person like this? Is he the extreme example of what some white people are feeling here in America? Is there such thing as the "White Man's Burden?" It seems that with the historic election of Barack Obama, there appears to be a vocal group of people upset, feeling their rights have been taken from them. Pat Buchanan comes to mind. Is the country going to be more racially divided, or is this the growing pains of being united?
Sodini tended to blame his perceived shortcomings in life on his family, women, and to an extent black men. Did he suffer at the hands of black men or women in general? Did Sodini have what is referred to as the "White Man's Burden?"
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Somebody should have just told him to look up some Asian women; they aren't running to the black man.
he just sounds like a white male version of the black BW and BM haters online
He appears to be psychotic. There are plenty of women out there, if he really wanted a girlfriend. With technology, there are dating websites such as Match.com.
He's a wicked man (and racist to boot) who decided to take out innocent people when he checked out.
If he were Black would the media be having this discussion about him? Or would they just say that he was a beast?
Good evening Siditty,
I found myself writing about this tragedy too. I took a different view since George Sodini is just another clone on the evolutionary path of mass murderers.
We can try to answer the obvious questions which are raised each time one of these tragedies occurs or we can resolve that it must end.
I can't help the George Soldini's of the world. I can support legislation to outlaw weapons used to massacre innocent lives.
U
I think he couldn't find a woman because he obviously had issues and the women he was interested in good tell he wasn't all there.
If he openly displayed his hatred of women (and people in general) and was a loner, then no duh he isn't gonna get dates! But of course in his selfishness, it's always the woman's fault they won't go for a catch like him. What a loser!
He didn't need a gf, he sounds like he needed to be locked up in a nuthouse or at least on some meds. Women were not his problem, he was. He's also the typical middle-aged loser who uses everyone else as a reason as to why his life was so bad.
Totally unnecessary act. I feel for his victims.
He was just crazy. But judging by the stats of people that believe Obama was born in Kenya, these types of people are many.
By the way his comments about Black men were more tame than your typical rabid racist. And that is what is scary. I have heard many White men express similar views about WW running to BM. This particular view of his I suspect is alot more mainstream. I have been with White guys and they curse out at the site of a BM and WW. And these usually seem like reasonable people.
And this sentiment maybe what it is driving many a white man to Asian women. Their own women are "tainted" or will be.
This guy obviously had a problem, he didn't desire Asian women which is an escape for many white men. So he was forced to deal with WW and the 'frustrations' that came with that.
I have a friend on Face book who was into this girl. He is White and she is Latina. He seemed to be so into her, then one day she joked about a big Black man in her bed. He lost interest in her.
This is a thorn issue for White men and I can easily see how one can completely lose it and blame their misfortunes on Black Men. So you have contentious issues like Affirmative action and successful Black men bedding White Women and that will do it for most White men.
So to answer your question, NO, race relations are going to get much worse.
My advice to the Black Woman, is do whatever it takes to take care of yourself and your children if you have any, The Black man is not going to do it for you. Whites are getting angrier by the day with the threat of minorityhood in 2042. Things are going to get pretty ugly.
Anon,
There have NEVER been any BW mass murderers,(or "BW haters") much less, ANY BW who use their relationship challenges as an excuse to murder other human beings, like some WM and BM do.
Hello,
No woman could've cured his psychotic and anti-social tendencies and diseased mind. It is so scary how easy it is for Americans to get guns (even when the buyer has an undiagnosed mental illness.) I hope something changes soon.
Honestly, when I read this, I don’t see his ramblings as having an issue with race. I just see him stating how others are getting women and he is not. When he talks about the black men that get white women in school, he could be talking about stuff he’s seen. But, I don’t see that entry as a blame session…just him rambling.
I think the whole thing is sad. This is a man that was clearly bullied early in life and hadn’t gotten over it. Which is sad. With him he took out 3 innocent women and injured many others because he had issues. I don’t think that making friends would have helped his issue. I think no matter what, he would have found the negative part of life even if he had a girlfriend, friends, a life, etc.. Something would have always been wrong because he had issues unresolved.
Omg. He looks like my old chemistry teacher...creepy. The worst type of suicide is taking people with you.
Jamdown - I'm with you 100%. As much as some white men bytch and moan about White men's rights in America. If he was Black. Nobody would be discussing "What was he going thru" or "What would drive a man to do this". It was have been seen as Black man, business as usual.
Grata - I was reading your post, but I don't understand how you switch it up on the end against Black men? Its like people never want the actions of a crazy White man to stand alone. We have to drag Black men into this also.
The fact of the matter is that he only wanted to date 20 something white girls. Look at the Millionaire Match Maker show. Old White men are obsessed with 20 year old White women.
Are you really telling me that if he went for white women his own age or even Black/Asian/Hispanic women. That he would have been single, or at least not of had sex in 19 years?
The fact of the matter is that he only wanted to date 20 something white girls. Look at the Millionaire Match Maker show. Old White men are obsessed with 20 year old White women.
The fact of the matter is that black men are obsessed with light bright skin and Euro features-if not out and out white women. Don't call the kettle black, pot.
"Somebody should have just told him to look up some Asian women; they aren't running to the black man."
He seemed to have a disdain for Asian women too. I saw excerpts from his blog at ABC News and he made a comment about how his brother's Asian wife was plain and unattractive, but a good cook.
He just seemed to be a misogynist, one of those guys who claims to be "nice" and blames everyone but himself for his shortcomings. He's surely rotting down below now. I still can't get over the fact that he took innocent women to the grave with him, and left some children motherless (one of the victims was a mom). He was a sick individual.
"The fact of the matter is that black men are obsessed with light bright skin and Euro features-if not out and out white women. Don't call the kettle black, pot."
What does that have to do with Older White men being obsessed with Young White Girls?
Also, Black men are not obsessed with Euro Features. Its just the men YOU are attracted to. Learn the difference.
"I was reading your post, but I don't understand how you switch it up on the end against Black men? Its like people never want the actions of a crazy White man to stand alone. We have to drag Black men into this also."
Black men come into this issue because of this crazy's attitude towards them.
When it comes to America's sexual Landscape Black Men are Center stage, so any story related to sex will most likely pull in the Black man. Just get used to that.
You haven't been reading my posts so I will give you a brief of my position on Black Men.
Basically Black Rights and the Black Struggle is all about Black men. Black women are no where in sight. And the Black Women that benefit from the Black Man's progress are those that the Black Male deems physically attractive and those are usually Lighter skinned Euro looking Black Women. yet they are victims themselves in this whole scenario.
I no longer see the issue of racism and a Black/White issue, I see Racism standing on the shoulders of colorism.
As a darker skinned Woman, when I see an incident of racism, which will usually have the central character as a Black Male, I also see an oppressor in the so called victim, the Black Male. So I really don't have any energies to fight all those that seek to oppress me. That is why I encourage Black Women to focus their energies on looking out for themselves. Looking out for the Black Male will only send them further into the pits of oppression.
Black men, it has been proven time and time again, in this society have no desire to protect or preserve the Black Female. This role is left entirely to herself. Black Women, WAKE UP!
"He seemed to have a disdain for Asian women too. I saw excerpts from his blog at ABC News and he made a comment about how his brother's Asian wife was plain and unattractive, but a good cook."
He described her as flat chested, no butt and no personality. Mhen, that was harsh!
The fact of the matter is that black men are obsessed with light bright skin and Euro features-if not out and out white women. Don't call the kettle black, pot.
What the hell does that have to do with the topic at hand? Why is it that some idiots like yourself refuse to see batsh*t crazy White men responsible for their own actions and pathetically attempt to turn into the Black man's fault?? Grow some balls and admit that there are as many stupid White men out there as stupid Black men.
People like this are not hard to understand. Like many posters have said he imply had unresolved issues that needed to be solved. I don't think he had a "diseased mind". He simply couldn't handle his primitive emotions. So, in order to lash out into the world, he used those same emotions. And putting in tougher gun control laws will simply not make the situation go away or will deter it for that matter. In order to solve these issues you have to go to the source and for a lot of people they can't handle the reality of it.
This soo messed up. Everyone makes really valid points. There isn't much else to say. As always, thanks for posting.
"Grow some balls and admit that there are as many stupid White men out there as stupid Black men."
I'd also like to add to this point that there are stupid people in all walks of life, not just black and white men :)
I do think they need tougher gun control laws, however I agree with Anon-3:45pm that it won't make it go away. It was only a matter of time before this guy blew up. He spent nearly his entire life with extremely negative thoughts - over time they just kept building and building. I'm in no way excusing his actions--what he did was awful. However, I think after a while the small thoughts in your head, if not taken care of or fully realized, become large delusions of reality.
If anything, I think there should be more outreach for people to take care of their mental health, instead of shunning people as being "crazy".
Well, you can easily see the violence done to both black women and white women right here. There is a section on black women.
http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2008.pdf
Grata - Your post has NOTHING to do with a crazy white man shooting up a Gym club.
You are obsessed with Bashing Black men at any cost. That you make up scenarios to include them.
Hell, I am even saying if he wasn't such a bigot and dated Black women. That these women who lost their lives would be alive today.
Racism is Racism. Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong.
But since you want to divert the topic. When you "defenders of Black women" ever address White Men as the oppressors of Black women. Every single Negative Story type, Disenfranchisement, and media bias of Black women. Can be traced right back to the same white men you love sooooo much.
Until you get off you high double standard horse, and call White men out equally as you do Black men. You are nothing but a Bigot.
Wake up.
Here you go. I wonder what your opinion is on this case. I bet you still find a way to blame black men. smh
http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/06/black-former-racing-official-s-000728.php
I am just now hearing and reading about this. I haven't watched the news in a couple of days.
WTF?
No sex in 18yrs? Hell even in prison he would've gotten some attention. And that "joke" about Black men and white chicks was so not funny.
Is his blog still up?
The fact of the matter is that black men are obsessed with light bright skin and Euro features-if not out and out white women. Don't call the kettle black, pot.
No, black men are not "obsessed" with this. Black men are not into YOU, individually. You clearly are not light with Euro features, and you attribute their non-interest in YOU to this as opposed to attributing it to YOU individually.
Rippa:
His blog is located here:
http://georgesodini.com/20090804.htm
Somebody should have just told him to look up some Asian women; they aren't running to the black man.
He didn't seem too fond of asian woman from the way he described his sister in law.
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If he were Black would the media be having this discussion about him? Or would they just say that he was a beast?
He would be painted as pure evil, and we wouldn't dare look at what caused him to "go off" and kill people.
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The fact of the matter is that he only wanted to date 20 something white girls. Look at the Millionaire Match Maker show. Old White men are obsessed with 20 year old White women
True, the first thing I noticed was the man was completely obsessed with the looks of women and seemed to gravitate towards college aged girls. Some of his pictures reflect that more than likely college age girls wouldn't be too into him.
Look out! It always seems like If there's a guy who out there who aint getting ass, some child or animal is going to get molested or somebody has got to die.
,(or "BW haters")
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how about black men
I find it disturbing that in the comments of a blog with emphasis on interracial harmony and understanding, people largely still: lump all Asians together (all Asian females have androgynous bodies and adore white men, of course!) and find opportunity to reproach black men in a situation involving a white man's actions and sociopathy, all of this done with more than a hint of bitterness. I don't feel this has much to do with Siditty herself, but some commenters make me question the kinds of people who decry racism but then exhibit it themselves, however subtly so, whether in person or online.
I too think that this isn't so much about black men as his inability to get a woman himself. What I find curious is that unlike a lot of white men today, he openly admits that white men often had Black slave girls for mistresses. It's also curious how, judging from how aware he is of popular culture (he was a pretty keen guy) he surely knows that white men are considered "very desirable" by East Asian, SE Asian and to some extent, Latina women, yet he doesn't seem to requite the interest, which is unusual in that most white men eventually "crack" and open themselves to dating these WOC if they weren't open already, especially the old and lonely, a phase which he curiously didn't seem to reach.
Reading his blog entries, I sometimes see a more honest, human and vulnerable side of him and potential for greatness in a man/person. I agree that he seems to have had unresolved issues from earlier in life, especially with his family, that exacerbated his problems later in life. He sounds like a man who never learned how to deal with problems with confidence and dexterity. I think it is sad, in small part because he was a good-looking, successful man, but also because through his madness and narcissism you see a man who could have been so much happier but was ultimately very alone. I think instead of denouncing people like him in one fell swoop, we should recognize that there are "normal-seeming" people out there who suffer this kind of debilitating loneliness, enervation, and self-pity.
Didn't really see this as a white/black issue. He seemed depressed, maybe clinically. I also agree with the poster making reference to the Millionaire Matchmaker. I think developmentally he was stuck in 1975. That's why he wanted women so much younger than he was.
If he were psychotic, I think his rantings would have been a little more schizo, less clear. IDK
I feel this is a life without God, without faith, and therefore without hope.
It's hope that gets you over the hump.
Oh great, now we have religion brought into the mix. I live every day "without god", am getting along fabulously, and have no desire to go shoot up rooms full of random strangers. But religious people are killing folks in the name of their god ALL the time.
ANYWAY...I used to read the Rants and Raves section of Craig's List years ago and there were always a bunch of angry bitter men posting about how women were all b's and c's and wouldn't give a "nice guy" the time of day. It was unbelievable how these guys would write the terrible things they did and then end saying how nice they were and would good boyfriends they'd make for some woman....provided she was young enough, skinny enough, pretty enough. Basically it is women's fault that these men will stay lonely and bitter rather than "settle" for a woman who is actually in their league.
This Sodini dirtbag sounds just like those guys. I would not be surprised if he posted to R&R regularly. I checked out that section yesterday and sure enough there were posts from like-minded men saying what a waste that he only took out 3 women and that we should have someone go on a woman-killing rampage in this area.
From Sodini's Blog:
"Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them."
He felt he was with God and faith. I'm not and I can't justify what he did. What he did was horrible, and I am not without morals because I am without a God. I use my rationale, my compassion, and my common sense to know that murder is wrong and to see that this was a deeply disturbed man.
I think analyzing his views on race would be about as useful as looking for the meaning of life in a compost heap.
This is a lonely guy who was most likely lonely because he was not mentally or emotionally stable. A sort of worst example of self fulfilling prophecy, rejection makes him angry, which leads to more rejection.
Sure he may have hated black people, and women, and himself. I think his racism should be no where near the top of his "issues" list.
"ANYWAY...I used to read the Rants and Raves section of Craig's List years ago and there were always a bunch of angry bitter men posting about how women were all b's and c's and wouldn't give a "nice guy" the time of day. It was unbelievable how these guys would write the terrible things they did and then end saying how nice they were and would good boyfriends they'd make for some woman....provided she was young enough, skinny enough, pretty enough. Basically it is women's fault that these men will stay lonely and bitter rather than "settle" for a woman who is actually in their league.
This Sodini dirtbag sounds just like those guys. I would not be surprised if he posted to R&R regularly. I checked out that section yesterday and sure enough there were posts from like-minded men saying what a waste that he only took out 3 women and that we should have someone go on a woman-killing rampage in this area."
Until women are seen as women and not as men's property, I doubt things will change for the better. Men walk around on this earth thinking they are entitled to any woman they desire, and that that woman has no right to her own choices and decisions. And funny how when this man's desiring you you're the most beautiful thing in the world, but the moment you reject him (it doesn't matter how politely you do it) you become a "bitch." These men refuse to see anything wrong with their own actions, because no, it's the woman's fault in their heads. In their minds, all women are the devil. And women's opinions don't matter because we're all seen as objects and nothing more.
The boy just had no game and he blames that on everyone but himself.
Its nice of you to consider the white man's burden, Siditty. Shame not even white men attached to you consider the burden of Black women e.g. casual racism like at a place where you go to eat!
Not so much empathy from such white men e.g. a husband... more racial denial and self-interest.
The question is: what possible interest could one's own white husband have in denying your pain at being racially ignored in a place in which you BOTH paid to eat?
The white man's burden is racial privilege and a sense of entitlement. This is what drove that fool to shoot himself!
Its nice of you to consider the white man's burden, Siditty. Shame not even white men attached to you consider the burden of Black women e.g. casual racism like at a place where you go to eat!
I was talking about his mentality, which some whites seem to hold. The helplessness of losing "power" and "control" that historically always gone to them. This man essentially went crazy because he couldn't get laid with 20 something college co-eds and he might have lost his job. He blamed some of his inadequacy on white women running to black men, it seems he is an extreme case of a mentality that some white people in America have. It isn't necessarily the norm, but I hear it all the time. Hell my husband's uncle felt that the Mexicans were "taking over" in the neighborhood they lived in. I guess he was mad Mexicans weren't staying in their own enclaves and branching out by moving into a neighborhood that I guess in his mind should have been intended for whites. I have heard that sentiments in many ways. Like people who feel black people should try to assimilate more into white culture so that we can get rid of racism and encourage more interracial dating. If blacks were more like whites, life in their mind would be better.
I think what Grata was saying is that this scenario: crazy man killing a woman because of her not being interested in him and then blaming it on BM being with WW has happened before only it was a crazy BM killing a BW who happened to reject him....
I can think of some incidents such as the two black girls who were killed because they wouldn't hand over their phone number to this black guy....i'm thinking about the four black men who murdered and raped a BW and her white husband in their own home...i'ma lso thinking about asia who happened to have a preference for non BM and then got killed because of it....
there are plenty more of these examples, more so than the sodinis of white men.
So i feel that Grata was just trying to say that this has happened before, only the reverse.
I didn't feel as if she was blaming BM at all...i guess it's hard to see that and relate because of the fact that you are not a BW or a woman.
S-
Grata was trying to deflect the story away from a White man. Period.
She hates Black men and doesn't want to disturb the image of the White Savior for Black women. Which any sane women will tell you men are men.
We can spend all day and night thinking of past "incidents" that doesn't change the fact of this story. Here's one. White Male shoots up Amish School full of little girls in 1996.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting
You only believe there are more because of your love for white men. I guess that is hard to see because of it.
I can think of some incidents such as the two black girls who were killed because they wouldn't hand over their phone number to this black guy....i'm thinking about the four black men who murdered and raped a BW and her white husband in their own home...i'ma lso thinking about asia who happened to have a preference for non BM and then got killed because of it....
The truth is that black women are killed by intimate partners at three times the rate of white women. Over 90% of black women are killed by someone they know-not a stranger.
he wasn't rambling about race or blaming the black man. He never blame the black man for his failings in the woman department.
From what I read, he was lonely... had a messed up childhood and talking about his observations. He didn't even say anything racist about Obama or black people.
The man was lonely and fed up of life who decided to go out in a bang.
Where do you guys get that he blamed black men and was a racist?
From his comments he definitely seemed to be bitter about white women getting with black men- women he seemed to think should be getting with HIM.
Anyway, I learned a new term today, "grievance misogyny" that describes the mindset of this type of man. Check out this article. If that doesn't work, copy + paste this:
http://jezebel.com/5331406/gym-gunman-was-not-alone-the-making-of-a-misogynist-murderer
It includes his You-tube video of his house.
Its nice of you to consider the white man's burden, Siditty. Shame not even white men attached to you consider the burden of Black women e.g. casual racism like at a place where you go to eat!
Siditty said:
I was talking about his mentality, which some whites seem to hold. The helplessness of losing "power" and "control" that historically always gone to them.
anon said:
thing is, this guys seems to share the same concerns as you do in your blog: the lack of attention from whites (women in his case, men in yours) and he appears to be somewhat bitter about Black men being the center of attention (over black women). And he has some envy towards his brother who married an asian.
In short, everyone seem to be acceptable except him. Are you quite sure that his plight doesnt mirror your own, Siditty?
Anyone, I like your psuedo analysis of his motives. That was nice of you. Could you withstand a similar analysis of your writings my precious one?
"Grata - Your post has NOTHING to do with a crazy white man shooting up a Gym club."
Really, how many times do you want me to say the guy was crazy?
The man was crazy. Satisfied?
Any story that discusses Sexuality in America will always have the Black male involved one way or another. Get used to it. This guy lamented about Black men taking White women. So we are to magically pretend Black men were not mentioned?
"When you "defenders of Black women" ever address White Men as the oppressors of Black women. Every single Negative Story type, Disenfranchisement, and media bias of Black women. Can be traced right back to the same white men you love sooooo much."
White men I love sooo much? Hmmm, I wonder why you would think that. I am attracted to some but I am definitely not a worshipper. I will excuse you. you haven't read many of my posts.
As for the negative images of Black Women. So Black men have no role in this? Has the Black man to you ever been at any fault? I doubt it.
Look, the Black woman has no friend as things go. Neither white no Black. But the Black Male today maybe even a bigger danger to her than any other. That is why it would appear like I give White men a pass. That is because the immediate danger is the Black Male. If you have a poisonous snake hiding in the house. You can't be focused on the Lion outside. You deal with the snake first.
And to be clear, not all Black men are snakes but we have plenty around and they are multiplying by the day.
"Here you go. I wonder what your opinion is on this case. I bet you still find a way to blame black men. smh
http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/06/black-former-racing-official-s-000728.php"
LOL! Joe,
You are quite something. You see you seriously underestimate me. Nothing racist surprises me in America.
And by the way thanks for sharing a story that was not publicized.
I expect this kind of racism all the time. Unlike many deluded people, I don't believe it will end. And I have experienced almost the same kind of treatemnt by white people. Key word here is, expectation. Whites especially Southerners are wired like that. I lived with a bundh for a while, I know them too well so nothing surprises me.
And you were right, I must Blame the Black Male. Why hasn't this story been widely circulated? Any guesses? Clue, The Black Man.
Yes! It is because the BC is wired to look out for the Black male that we never heard of this story. If we can't hear the stories of Black Women being mistreated, how are we supposed to fight for our equality? But then again even when their stories are told you will get an overly privilaged Black Professor that is too quick to pull out the race card and the whole world stops for him. See what I mean?
Black woman gets shit on by Whites then black men come and run over her. I have to be more angry at the person that is supposed to help me back up.
So see, you were onto something.
To the BM Contradictors on this post,
NO ONE is defending Sodini or other WM like him.
What you need to accept is that, to the extent that MOST BM either TRASH the HUMANITY, DIGNITY, and FEMININITY of BW, or refuse to condemn ANTI-BW HATE, you are a MAJOR part of the problems BW face.
MOST BM who REFUSE to DEFEND/PROTECT BW and help to PROMOTE ANTI-BW HATE need to acknowledge that this is WRONG and deal with it accordingly instead of looking for OTHERS to blame for their IRRESPONSIBLE/DBR behavior.
"Didn't really see this as a white/black issue. He seemed depressed, maybe clinically."
He must have had an some wierdness about him that drove women away. Like that woman he was following around the gym. He must have been obsessive.
The guy was definitely mentally unstable but just enough to function elsewhere. I actually had a workmate like that, also an IT guy and he owned guns. He confessed being on depression meds. Luckily he was gay so I never had to get awkward around him. And he happens to like Blackmen but hasn't been in a relationship in a long time and I could tell he was depressed about it.
"She hates Black men and doesn't want to disturb the image of the White Savior for Black women. Which any sane women will tell you men are men."
LOL! Dude. You are projecting your simplictiy of thought. White men saviors? LOL! For who? Black Women have no saviors whatsoever ever.
The only savior I expect for a BW is the Black Male, but Black men just won't do it. And for that, yes, I despise them.
Yes I am attracted to WM but I don't expect one to save me,LOL! The only person that can save me is me and my God. Always been that way and will stay that way.
Grata -
"And you were right, I must Blame the Black Male. Why hasn't this story been widely circulated? Any guesses? Clue, The Black Man."
Case in point. We all know who controls the Media, and its not Black men. If you paid attention. The link was from a Black blog, and the writer of the article was a Black man.
But seeing a dark skinned black women getting abused by white males. That means nothing to you. Seeing the White male media cover up that story means nothing to you.
All you care about is your Hypocritical hatred of Black men. You love and worship white men. It is very evident from your post. But you hate Black men that feel EXACTLY the way you feel. That is beyond hypocritical, and borderline bigotry on your part.
You seriously need to get off this defender of Black women kick because its obvious. Your loyalties lie more with White men. Then with Black women.
Joe,
Who is killing black women at alarming rates? White men or black men?
Who is passing aids to black women at alarming rates? White men or black men?
Who is knocking up black women and then leaving them at alarming rates? White men or black men?
Who is shooting up black communites at alarming rates? White men or black men?
"But seeing a dark skinned black women getting abused by white males. That means nothing to you."
Joe,
Get off whatever you are smoking and get a clear head. When did we talk about BW being abused by WM?
Are you pulling stuff out of your behind?
I commend the guy that wrote that story. He is one of the very few BM out there that look out for BW. Very few. But still the story didn't catch on because, If its not a Black Man, it doesn't lead!
"Seeing the White male media cover up that story means nothing to you."
What about Black Media. Where did Black Media cover it extensively?
"You love and worship white men".
Man, you are too simple minded. Despite my expalanation you went back to your stock belief.
"It is very evident from your post. But you hate Black men that feel EXACTLY the way you feel. That is beyond hypocritical, and borderline bigotry on your part."
Black men who hat on Black women don't do it out of frustratoion. They just do and keep justifying their choices to marry or date out. I am critical of BM and won't change that simply because they are not facing up to their community responsibility. And that is FACT.
"You seriously need to get off this defender of Black women kick because its obvious. Your loyalties lie more with White men. Then with Black women."
Loyalties for WM? Hmmmm. Not in my life time. I may be loyal to one but not them as a group. But one thing is for sure, I have no loyalty to Black men as a group.
@Joe Clyde:
Have you ever condemned or challenged Black men for their ignorant statements (rantings) about Black women? There are plenty of websites out there where Black women are demonized, insulted, put down, etc.
I do not patronize such websites because I will not sift through garbage and waste my time with abusive people.
Please let us know what you are doing to counter Black men when they ATTACK Black women in Youtube posts and on websites. I, for one, am curious.
I have read posts where Black men explain why Black women are unworthy of their time or love. And where they gleefully uplift non-Black women. I even have some of those Black men in my family - men who will not date/marry Black women, but who date every other woman under the sun.
So, while I don't agree with everything posted here, I can see where people are coming from and don't see how it is any worse than what Black men say/write about Black women every day.
I guess it is a shock to you that there are a few Black women who feel the same way about Black men as Black men feel about Black women. Looks like the anti-BW hatred is coming full circle.
Nuff said.
BW shot themselves in the foot when they made a big, malicious point of turning down interested non-BM over the years in an effort to show loyalty to BM. Too bad a lot of those same BM were only with BW because they had no other options. Nowadays there are a lot of BM who, having much more freedom to marry any woman they want, feel that dating/marrying a BW is tantamount to scraping the bottom of the barrel. So now the non-BM who were often maliciously snubbed by BW are being seen as potential husbands. Inasmuch as many men don't want a woman who other men don't want, and that's a major part of why many Negroes make a show of acquiring even a morbidly obese WW (so that other Negroes will admire and/or envy them), I firmly believe that, if BW had only expanded their options years ago, they would now have both non-BM AND BM available as marriage partners, since having to compete for BW with non-BM (not just with other BM) would have increased the value of having a BW in BM's eyes -- and large numbers might even have become more educated, industrious and employable if they thought these attributes might land them a really high quality BW.
Anonymous - Since you bring up a topic that has nothing to do with this story. Who kills white women the most. Who is the number one solictor of Child Porn in America. Who is selling Meth up and down on the West Coast. Who goes to gyms and shoots it up because he can't get laid.
You people are seriously trying to turn an event that had nothing to do with Black men. Amazing. LOL.
Grata - The fact that you date out is a blessing to the Black man. I am in no way trying to convert you or make you feel guilty about your worship.
I am just pointing out your bigotry, and hypocrisy. That is all.
You are one less headache a Black man would have to deal with. For that I am thankful, and I hope more color struck women like you follow suit.
Jamdown - You do not know me, and I have done exactly that. I have never apologize for Black males bashing Black women at all.
"I guess it is a shock to you that there are a few Black women who feel the same way about Black men as Black men feel about Black women. Looks like the anti-BW hatred is coming full circle."
Actually, I am not shocked by some ignorant comments coming from Black women. I will give you points for admitting these womens comments are hateful. I hate when these bitter women pretend as if they care about defending Black women. When they just care about hating black men and worshiping white men.
There are angry people on both genders. You know what. There always have been. There has always been Black women that hate Black men and vice versa. Look at the book by Eldrige Clever. That was in the 60s, and he talks about the same issues that are occurring today.
I believe when you are said gender. You only focus on attacks coming at you, and not ones coming from you.
Anonymous - 12:20
Why do Black men and Black women PRETEND. That they are turning down these great White and non white people in droughts. That is far from the case.
If a Black man posted. "I have turned down, many Italian vogue models, because I am loyal to Black women." You would laugh in his face. And rightly so.
We have to stop making excuses for the RACISM of non-blacks. I have never, never, never believed in this Loyalty myth. People are only as loyal as there options. I do believe Black women turn down some white men. Why its either because he is extremely unattractive, overly sexually, gives of a weird vibe.
I do believe if a white guy went up to 99% of Black women in a kind and polite way. He would get would overwhelmingly succeed. Black women are just as colorstruck or more than Black men.
Last time I checked. Both genders failed the "Doll Test". So why do Black women keep pretending they are more loyal to Blackness is beyond me. Its non-Black mens racism, which is the reason more black women are not dating out.
Look at some of the nasty black female posters here who say they are dating white. Do you ever believe they were loyal to black men?
Joe Clyde is nothing more than a reverse racist dude who couldn't get a white woman. He's the real racist/sexist on this board.
Anon - How am I a racist?
#1. I grew up in an affluent Long Island Suburb. "Getting White women" is not a challenge or a Life Goal. I can't speak for other people.
#2. I wanted to talk about the issue of Mr. Sadoni. I never called him a racist. In fact, I said many times. If he was more open in his dating pool aka. Dated Black women. That he would be alive today, and so would the other ladies.
#3. I was just countering the other Black female posters who are somehow training to turn this into a subject about Black men. Which this story has nothing to do with Black men and/or Black women.
Are Black women getting abused in the world. Yes. But why are you choosing the Topic of a White Male killing White women to bring this up. Why don't you talk about Black women getting abused in the Chris Rock Hair Documentary thread. I think the reasons behind it is self evident.
Some Black women believe it is their job to present White men as saviors, and any story that deters from the goal. They must jump in automatically, and talk about Black men. If you read this post. It is clear to see that is definitely the case.
Now I fail to see how any of my post is racist or sexist. If you could enlighten me. Then I would greatly appreciate it.
Why do Black men and Black women PRETEND. That they are turning down these great White and non white people in droughts. That is far from the case.
If a Black man posted. "I have turned down, many Italian vogue models, because I am loyal to Black women." You would laugh in his face. And rightly so.
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Careful -- you are showing your worship of whites with the above statements! Nobody here but you said anything about "great" white and non white people. What's more, you are displaying your hatred of BW when you PRETEND to know that other men can't find BW attractive enough to approach unless it's for tawdry purposes.
If a Black man posted. "I have turned down, many Italian vogue models, because I am loyal to Black women." You would laugh in his face. And rightly so.
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You're correct, not many straight men are going to turn down a perceived opportunity to have sex with a bunch of Italian Vogue models, either for loyalty or any other reason, for that matter. One day, when you've had actual experience with women, you might learn that you can not predict female sexual behavior on the sexual behavior of yourself and other men.
@Joe Clyde:
And what about the Black men who present White women as their saviors, who adore White women, who make it known that in their eyes even fat, ugly White women are better than attractive Black women?
What about the Black men who would mow down Black women for White and other non-Black women?
Black women are just getting hip to the game Black men have been playing for so long.
By the way, I am happily married to a wonderful Black man. But I agree with Evia and other Black female web owners who emphasize to Black women that good men come in all colors.
Jam - I will answer your question because I can't take any of the Anons seriously.
I too am engaged to a Black women (Dark skinned like it matters but I know what some women will come up with next.). I never said I had a problem with women dating out.
I don't see anywhere where I said it was OK for black men to behave in the fashion you described. So I will leave it at that. If there are Black men that behave that way. Well they are idiots, and honestly. Would you want your best friend or sister to date a Black man that hates his own race. He is doing you a favor, but dating out.
But I would like to say to the Hypocrites. If you could love a non-Black man and have no hatred in your heart to Black men. Why is it so impossible for a Black man to have the EXACT same feelings you do as a woman. Black women are no better or worse than Black men in the dating out category. People date whomever they are attracted too, and can get. Period.
"Black women are just getting hip to the game Black men have been playing for so long."
There is no game. We know from umpteen posts that Black women have been openly dating out in America longer than Black men. That is not an opinion but a fact. Loving vs. Virginia was with a Black women. That case would have never been won with a Black man and White woman. Black women are NOT in bondage or Slavery to Black men. They have ALWAYS dated out. Will you women at least admit that. Why do you keep prepetrating this Black boogey man persona that is keeping Black women from dating out. Its BS.
The ONLY reason Black women are not tripling Black men dating out. Is because non-black men are not pursing Black women en mass. I know everybody here is a runway model that gets pursued by every Italian man on the street. (sarcasm) but in reality. We all know the majority of Black women are not. When will you women stop demonizing Black men and talk about the racist attitudes of Non- Black men. I would love for you women to admit the truth.
"But I agree with Evia and other Black female web owners who emphasize to Black women that good men come in all colors."
That is a lie. Evia and other wannabee Cult leaders do not say get a good man of all colors. Any child that goes to their hate blogs will see that they advocate white men and demonize Black men. Stop with this Blind loyalty to women that are only loyal to white men. There are many moderate IR Bloggers that will tell you stories of their worshipping of White men at the expense of other Black women.
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This Story has once again gotten diverted from a Crazy White man. (Applause)
Joe Clyde said:
I wonder what your opinion is on this case. I bet you still find a way to blame black men. smh
http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/06/black-former-racing-official-s-000728.php"
Grata replied:
…you were right; I must blame the Black Male. Why hasn't this story been widely circulated? Any guesses? Clue, The Black Man.
Joe Clyde said:
If you paid attention, the link was from a Black blog, and the writer of the article was a Black man.
Grata replied:
Are you pulling stuff out of your behind? I COMMEND the guy that wrote that story. But still the story didn't catch on…
Anon said:
Conveniently Grata happens to rhyme with farter since something real stinky is blowing out of your behind! Remember, you “commend” (PRESENT TENSE!) the Black man who broke the story.
He wasn’t COMMENDED (past tense) by you because your black-male baiting rituals do not allow for the possibility of Black men caring about the welfare of black women (and children).
Oh, and the reason the story wasn’t widely publicised (i.e. placed in the mainstream) was because the white-male dominated mass media CHOSE not to ‘run with it’. That’s why “story didn’t catch on”. But then you know that don’t you, Grata?
Maybe next time you’ll summon the courtesy to respond to Joe Clyde’s posts with facts rather than with personal attacks and threatening postures, or else inevitably get found out.
Maybe, baby!
Joe Clyde said:
I believe if a white guy went up to 99% of Black women in a kind and polite way, he would get would overwhelmingly succeed. Black women are just as color-struck or more than Black men.
So why do Black women keep pretending they are more loyal to Blackness is beyond me. Its non-Black men’s racism, which is the reason more black women are not dating out.
Anon said:
First, the matriarchal ‘culture’ of Black women perceives white men as mere privileged boys with feminine physiques and a dreadful sense of rhythm (amongst other real or imagined ‘masculine’ failings).
Typically, assimilated Black women, and those “rejected” (or over-looked) by Black men for a variety of reasons (e.g. anger, “ugliness”, or “attitude” issues) have little alternative but to open their “options” since many of them had few, if any, “options” to begin with!
Second, Indian, Asian, Latino and Euro boys are NOT racist for preferring to date and marry images of their mothers and cultural representatives of their motherlands. They are simply NORMAL! They do not wish to assimilate into another race of women unless members of that race are FIRST psycho-culturally assimilated INTO them.
Then, of course, any such relationship would be MONO-cultural as opposed to MULTI-cultural.
Bro Joe, talk to Siditty for the low-down on this kind of set up. She’s an expert! Alternatively, read her many blog postings. You won’t believe your eyes lol
Regards
PS I believe if a Black guy went up to just 5% of white women in a kind and polite way, he would overwhelmingly succeed!
"Second, Indian, Asian, Latino and Euro boys are NOT racist for preferring to date and marry images of their mothers and cultural representatives of their motherlands. They are simply NORMAL! They do not wish to assimilate into another race of women unless members of that race are FIRST psycho-culturally assimilated INTO them."
You are 100% correct. They are not racist for wanting to date within their own race. I am just talking about the non Black men that do openly want to date outside of their race. If they are not approaching Black women. That has nothing to do with Black men. I am still waiting for these women to call them on their own personal behavior. Instead of demonizing Black men or trying to guilt Black women into buying Books/Attending Seminars to chase after ,MEN. lol
"PS I believe if a Black guy went up to just 5% of white women in a kind and polite way, he would overwhelmingly succeed!"
I am not saying that you are. But I could careless about white women. I have had many options to date White women, and I just don't find them physically appealing. Call me racist or whatever, but I just believe the majority of White women are unattractive. Of course some Hollywood starlets look gorgeous on the screen or tv shows. But everyday life. I just don't find them too appealing.
But people should be allowed to date whomever they choose. That goes for Black women and Black men. Without one-sided hypocritical ignorance.
Grata & Jamdown,
Thanks for attempting IN VAIN to offer LOGICAL, TRUTHFUL responses to the IRRATIONAL, LYING, SELF ABSORBED, HYPOCRITICAL ANTI-BW BM who have chosen to post on this topic.
Regardless of their BASELESS LAME EXCUSES, the world can see that MOST BM DON'T fulfill their responsiblity (as REAL MEN of ALL other races do for the women from their OWN RACIAL COMMUNITY) to, FIRST/FOREMOST, DEFEND/PROTECT the HUMANITY, DIGNITY, and FEMININITY of BW (the women who belong to their OWN RACIAL COMMUNITY), REGARDLESS of whether or not they love, date, or marry them.
Conversely, BW (INCLUDING BW EMPOWERMENT BLOGGERS) are known, almost to a fault, for their LOYALTY/COMMITMENT to BM(whether or not they love, date, or marry BM) despite the FACT that MOST BM CONSTANTLY display DISRESPECTFUL, DEGRADING, DEMEANING ANTI-BW attitudes/actions towards them.
I would like for these ANTI-BW HATING, LYING BM to give us examples of BW commiting the ANTI-BW CRIMES noted below:
1)Two black girls who were killed because they wouldn't hand over their phone number to a BM.
2)The four BM who murdered and raped a BW and her white husband in their own home.
3)Asia who happened to have a preference for NON-BM and then got killed because of it.
4)Killing BW at alarming rates.
5)Passing AIDS to BW at alarming rates.
6)Knocking up BW and then leaving them at alarming rates.
7)Shooting up black communites at alarming rates.
laromana
Still going to hold onto that lie that Black men had nothing to do with you dating out. lol
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Listen, those issue you are giving are horrific accounts no matter the race of the persons involved. But like always.
What does that have to do with a crazy white man shooting up a Gym.
You white worshipping Black women will not admit that you are trying to divert the story away from this crazy white man. That is obvious for anyone to see.
From tho second coward Anon poster. All the white worshipping Black women have tried to make this case about Black men. That is pathetic.
Red herring after Red Herring to accomplish one goal. Stop exposing the White men are just as crazy as all men.
Oh and one more thing.
Name a race of man, and I could list 10 crimes committed against their own women that occurred in the last month.
Are you up for the Challenge or do you want to stick to the topic?
Joe,
Really? No one has cast white men as saviors here or turning the focus away from the heinous acts of this white man. At least not til you arrived and had to turn it into bw vs bm time again. And this of course attracted Anonymous aka Menelik Charles (don't think just b/c you didn't sign your name, it isn't obvious who you are).
You made mention of "moderate IR blogs" but you seem to have no clue that you are on one. Here's a hint- if you were on an evangelical IR blog, your comments would never even see the light of day. That's why you are HERE bellyaching about white man worship, hawking of books and seminars, et cetera- STUFF THAT IS NOT EVEN HAPPENING HERE.
Many black women date outside of the race b/c they are fed up with the behavior of too many black men. Some date out because they were attracted to white men no regardless of what black men were doing. But the much higher aversion to marriage and commitment, lower inclination for academic and professional achievement, and higher rates of criminal activity commonly found among black men just about squashes any lingering guilt about not being "loyal to tha brothas".
Anon/Menlik,
Your comments had me flashing back to The Color Purple. "You're black, you're poor, you're ugly, you're a woman, you're nothing at all." All you need to do is switch out poor for angry, Mister. Anyway, since that is the only reason black women would date out- b/c they can't get a black man for the aforementioned qualities, why are you so concerned with what a bunch of rejects say, think, and do?
PS I believe if a Black guy went up to just 5% of white women in a kind and polite way, he would overwhelmingly succeed
Was this intended to make us fall onto the floor, gnashing our teeth and beating our chests in jealous agony at the thought of black men dating white women? Few here have restricted their dating options to black men and really, the more black men who date out just increases the number of white and other nonblack women running around with fatherless OOW babies b/c so many of black men are not about marrying ANYBODY.
MOST BM don’t take responsibility for the protection of BW and THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE.
It is very troubling to see MANY BM promoting ANTI-BW HATE by publicly TRASHING the HUMANITY, DIGNITY, and FEMININITY of BW in the media and in American society at large. There have been several recent HEINOUS CRIMES (the Asia McGowan murder, the Dunbar Village gang rape of a mother and her son, the murder of a BW/WM couple-the Pietzaks, etc.) commited against BW that have resulted from the ANTI-BW HATE that MANY BM are cultivating in American culture.
Until MOST BM reject sickening, criminal, ANTI-BW attitudes/actions, BW will not receive EQUAL PROTECTION from violent crimes that MOST NON-BW receive.
Of course I DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING from the ANTI-BW HATER BM like the ones who have/continue to post IRRELEVANT ANTI-BW NONSENSE.
Hello Laromana,
Laromana, I agree with you on everything you said regarding the devaluation of BW in America. If you would like, please visit my blog, La Reyna's Journal and comment there as well. I welcome your perspective.
Thank you.
La Reyna
Ya - I sorry that you have such hatred for Black men.
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How can you honestly say I introduced the subject. If you look at the beginning of the post. It was other Black women who introduce Black men and tried to divert the subject. I am just calling them out on their BS.
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No, I'm sorry. I fully understand where I am posting. I know about the cowardice of the Wannabe Cult leader Blogs that hate Black men.
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Look for the last time. Black women were NEVR loyal to Black men and I will even say that is vice/versa. People are only as loyal as their options. That is the truth.
If you ONLY want to see negative aspects of Black men will ONLY looking at positive aspects of Black women. That is your right. But don't get in a tizzy when people disagree with you.
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So again with your response to Menelik about increasing IR wedlock babies. Amazing.
Maybe you should take a look at Michigan at all of the OOW Black women with half-Arab babies, or even the beloved IR mecca of SoCal, and the many, many OOW Black women with Bi-Racial kids.
I guess its a Black problem, and not a gender issue. Huh?
Anon/Menlik,
Your comments had me flashing back to The Color Purple. "You're black, you're poor, you're ugly, you're a woman, you're nothing at all." All you need to do is switch out poor for angry, Mister. Anyway, since that is the only reason black women would date out- b/c they can't get a black man for the aforementioned qualities, why are you so concerned with what a bunch of rejects say, think, and do?
Anon replies:
and why are you concerned with what i hjave to say?
BUT DON'T BOTHER WITH THAT QUESTIONS. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN FULL LATER!
PS WHO SAID THIS:
I hate to do this, but I have to come up with some rules on my comments page.
and why?????
LaReyna,
You're welcome. I will visit your blog and comment.
Joe,
I don't know who "Ya" is, but I don't actually hate black men. But if you want to start up the black women ain't ish routine, there's PLENTY to go around.
Menelik,
Um...I asked you first, oh juvenile one. As a black woman interested in issues pertaining to black womanhood and IR dating, it's clear why I would be commenting here. You, much less so.
I am sure you will be back REPEATEDLY as posting on this blog and harassing and haranguing black women all over the internet seems to be an obsession and calling in life you share with Joe Clyde here.
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Both of you:
Why don't you put your heads together and come to an agreement on whether black women like us date out b/c we were too defective to get a black man and therefore had no option but to IR date or is it because we were desirable enough to HAVE options and thus were not forced to be loyal/limited to black men.
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I definitely am starting to see the logic behind blanket banning of such commentors on other blogs, especially since blogs with more lax rules get all the spillover.
"I definitely am starting to see the logic behind blanket banning of such commentors on other blogs, especially since blogs with more lax rules get all the spillover."
That just means your are a coward. Stand behind your post. I do.
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#1. While I do like some of Mr. Menelik post. I don't , nor do I have to agree with everything he writes. I know that this may be hard to believe. All Black men don't think a like. Boom. I know that was a shocker for you. But its the God's Honest truth. Many Black men think for themselves, and can come to their own conclusions. I heard a rumor that all people on the Earth can do the same thing.
#2. I have never said "Black women ain't ish.".
I am going to ASSume that was because of your incorrect inference which I answered in post #1. Just because a man said that "Black women ain't ish." And that man happens to be Black. That doesn't mean ALL Black men think that. For clarification. See post #1.
#3. "Why don't you put your heads together and come to an agreement on whether black women like us date out b/c we were too defective to get a black man and therefore had no option but to IR date or is it because we were desirable enough to HAVE options and thus were not forced to be loyal/limited to black men. "
Well I will try to answer this question on my own. Its so hard without consulting the millions of Black man collective thought.
I believe Black women date out..... Because She found that guy Attractive, and he found her attractive
That is it in a nutshell. All of the reasons the DBRBM crew give is complete BS. Black women date out for the exact same reason Black men date out. Nobody is better or worse than the other. The thought of equality in dating seems like an oxymoron to some people. But that is what I personally believe.
I don't believe the Black race to be inferior to any other race. I do believe men are men are men. and women are women are women. Its really that simple.
Menelik. Speak to you in the National Conference Call for Black men.
"I definitely am starting to see the logic behind blanket banning of such commentors on other blogs, especially since blogs with more lax rules get all the spillover."
What is the problem. If you post something. You should stand behind your words. I do.
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"I don't know who "Ya" is, but I don't actually hate black men. But if you want to start up the black women ain't ish routine, there's PLENTY to go around. "
"Both of you:
Why don't you put your heads together and come to an agreement on whether black women like us date out b/c we were too defective to get a black man and therefore had no option but to IR date or is it because we were desirable enough to HAVE options and thus were not forced to be loyal/limited to black men. "
#1. While I read some of Mr. Menelik post. I don't nor do I have to agree with it all. I know that this is shocking to a lot of people. But All black men don't think the same. Hell, we are even in different countries. That is a shocking revelation to a lot of people. But it is true.
Two independent minds can come to a conclusion on an issue. Completely independent of one another.
I have never said "Black women ain't ish". Maybe you were speaking to another poster, who may have been of a darker pigmentation. And also may have been male. He might have expressed those sentiments. But that has nothing to do with me.
#2. Now coming to my own independent conclusion. I believe black women date out because......They found a man attractive, and he found her attractive. Period.
Everything else the "DBRBMMBDIEJM Cult" women are trying to say is complete BS. Black women date out for the exact same reason. Black men date out. Black women are not better or worse than Black men in terms of dating non-Blacks. That is what I truly believe. I believe you have people on both sides, making excuses why they were forced to perform sexual acts on a non-Black person. These people are dishonest.
I personally abhor the demonizing of Black men. Honestly, because I am a Black man. That doesn't mean I condone it against Black women. But I know for a fact that Black women probably do the same thing. That is the basic truth.
#3. Now, I have always believe personally. That people are only as loyal as their options. That goes for Black men and Black women. Black women when giving a chance. Will date whomever they deem is the most attractive too them. Black men do exactly the same thing.
Has the Black community been "brain-washed" as evident by the Doll test. To a certain extent. But I hardly believe that plays a role entirely in whom people date.
I personally believe that for some reason. I don't know why you will have to ask them. White men and other non-Black men. Where not checking for Black women en mass during the late 80s - 90s. Maybe because of a more liberal or tolerant youth we have now, or maybe we are beginning this post racial society, with the aid of media portraying it more. It has become more acceptable to see en mass. Black women dating out. So I do believe Black women have more options dating out than 20 years ago. That is what I believe.
That is all fine and good. But what I don't like is the "well now that YT has finally waken up to the beauty of Black women. I'm going to spend all my time bashing Black men" attitude by a lot of Black women. Everyone sees this. Black women didn't date out more, because other men were resistant. That is all. So instead of blaming other men. These women choose to blame black men? That is absurd, and that is what I call some women out on.
This is all just my opinions. They are not facts.
Last post to Joe Clyde:
I have seen ugly comments on websites directed towards Black women - vitriolic, spiteful statements that demean all Black women and uplift White women.
Have you ever scolded Black men who write derogatory comments about Black women? I have never seen a Black man attack another Black man for writing ignorant comments about Black women on a website. NEVER.
So, take your scolding and shock to your own gender and tell them to stop deriding Black women.
Until then, Black women have the right to say anything they damn well please.
GO EVIA! (And Siddity!).
Amen, Jamdown. Don't stop speaking TRUTH to the DBR, ANTI-BW HATERS.
Yanmommasaid:
You (Joe Clyde) made mention of "moderate IR blogs" but you seem to have no clue that you are on one. Here's a hint- if you were on an evangelical IR blog, your comments would never even see the light of day.
Menelik said:
I strongly suspect Joe knows full well he’s on a “moderate” IR blog. I equally suspect he’s aware that even on such sites; the likes of Grata can negatively introduce Black men into scenarios in which they were formerly mere bit players.
When this happens, as it has here (again!), then “moderate IR blogs” become platforms for Black-male bashing and ad hominem attacks against those (invariably Black men) wise to this highly questionable behaviour.
I also suspect Joe pointed out the existence of “moderate IR blogs” so as to remind the blog owner of her alleged status of one such blog. All, as it turned out, to no avail. No “moderate” IR blogger came to his aid. I won’t ask why not!
Yanmommasaid:
No one has… turned the focus away from the heinous acts of this white man. At least not til YOU arrived and had to turn it into bw vs. bm time again.
Menelik said:
Are you quite sure about this sister friend?
Grata said:
1) My advice to the Black Woman is do whatever it takes to take care of yourself and your children… The Black man is not going to do it for you.
2) Basically Black Rights and the Black Struggle are all about Black men. Black women are nowhere in sight.
3) Black men… in this society have no desire to protect or preserve the Black Female. This role is left entirely to herself. Black Women, WAKE UP!
4) I encourage Black Women to focus their energies on looking out for themselves. Looking out for the Black Male will only send them further into the pits of oppression.
5) When I see an incident of racism, which will usually have the central character as a Black Male, I also see an oppressor in the so-called victim: the Black Male.
Joe Clyde said:
Grata - I was reading your post, but I don't understand how you switched it… against Black men? It’s like people never want the actions of a crazy White man to stand alone. We have to drag Black men into this also.
But since you want to DIVERT the topic, when are you…going to address white men as the oppressors of Black women? Every single negative stereotype of Black women can be traced right back to the same white men you love so much.
Your post has NOTHING to do with a crazy white man shooting up a Gym club. You’re so obsessed with Bashing Black men at any cost that you make up scenarios to include them.
Menelik asks:
Yan, may we quietly conclude that Joe Clyde (and by extension Black men) is the wronged party in this instance, and quickly move on?
Menelik Charles
London England
Menelik said:
Typically, assimilated Black women, and those “rejected” (or over-looked) by Black men for a variety of reasons (e.g. anger, “ugliness”, or “attitude” issues) have little alternative but to open their “options” since many of them had few, if any, “options” to begin with!
Yanmommasaid:
Menelik - your comments had me flashing back to The Color Purple. "You're black, you're poor, you're ugly, you're a woman, you're nothing at all." All you need to do is switch out poor for angry, Mister.
Menelik replies:
“Mister”? Heaven’s, I’m not sure what I’ve said or done to earn the name of the infamous “Mister”. Struck a nerve, perhaps?
Yanmommasaid:
Anyway, since that is the only reason black women would date out- b/c they can't get a black man for the aforementioned qualities, why are you so concerned with what a bunch of rejects say, think, and do?
Menelik replies:
Curiously, you omitted to mention assimilated Black women: the type that grew up as “white girls” in predominantly white terrains, and who experienced agonising crisis of identity. Why the oversight?
And why are you concerned with what I’m allegedly “concerned with”? Because I make mention of a particular phenomenon doesn’t mean I’m overly concerned with its existence.
Yanmommasaid:
Many black women date outside of the race b/c they are fed up with the behavior of too many black men. Some date out because they were attracted to white men, regardless of what black men were doing.
Menelik replies:
And some date out because their upbringing has racially and socio-culturally aligned them with the masses of European-Americans. Why on earth can you not bring yourself to acknowledge this fact? Is it because of the racial angst related to attaching one’s feminine identity to white females as little Black girls? And later to the dating racism experienced as grown women seeking out “white boy love”?
I mean, it cannot be pleasant being, to all intents and purposes, a “white girl” in a Brown skin only to be perceived by the masses of white men such Black women socially encounter, as being “built only to fuck” but not to date or marry, can it?
Yan, you set this ‘debate’ off on a point-scoring mission rather than one which establishes facts. I feel slightly soiled whenever I participate in such sordid scenarios. I expected more from you.
Yanmommasaid:
Few here have restricted their dating options to black men…
Menelik replied:
Thank God!
PS Will my comments “see the light of day” since I’m on a “moderate IR blog”?
Yanmommasaid:
I am sure you will be back REPEATEDLY as posting on this blog and harassing and haranguing black women all over the internet seems to be an obsession and calling in life you share with Joe Clyde here.
Menelik says:
Boy, you really are showing your true colours aren't you? Not even an English teacher is qualified to inform me of the EXACT meanings of the terms "harassing and haranuing" means!
If you wanted to offend me then you have just succeeded! And once again, I expected much more of you!
Now let's see if you speak of the very clear harassment of Joe Clyde (scroll up for all the evidence!).
I won't hold my breath!
Menelik Charles
London England
I've been receiving these comment updates every hr it seems for the past couple of days. You guys are going round and round in circles.. I guess you have a lot of time of your hands to comment and review comments line by line.
My opinion is that you will never agree with each other. The comments are going from one extreme to the other and in most cases going full circle. I'm not reading anything new. Now.. I'm just skipping through the long arse comments.
This is the round up on life..
1) Some bw will love bm no matter what.
2) Some bm will love bw no matter what.
3) Some bw will prefer wm or other races for what ever reason.. who cares?
4) Some bm will prefer non-bw for what ever reason.. who cares!
5) Some bw and bm will prefer any women or men no matter the race or ethnicity.
6) Some bw and bm prefers to bash each other.
The main conclusion is that people will love or be with who ever they want, it's not for us to judge and try and figure out the whys... especially when dealing with matters of the "heart"... Focus on your own life and your own happiness and your progression.. People will date who ever they want. This, noone can dictate!
Life is too short to be watching people and trying to analyse their preferences.
I think Joe and Grata should hook up.. They seem to be always picking on each other... Joe more than Grata. It was his 1st comment on this post when he picked on what Grata said that turned all the other post into this back and forth bashing.
So.. there's your weakest links...
:) Lighten up people! Life is great!
Joe Clyde said:
Menelik. Speak to you in the National Conference Call for Black men.
Menelik replied:
Bro., remember I'm a Brit and so I've no idea what National Conference Call for Black men is lol
I mean, how do I get to "speak to you"? Over the net? Via the phone or some other means?
Let me know and I'm good to go!
Menelik Charles
London England
PS tried to send you an email at your blog on several ocasions but for some strange reason I am unable to.
Heckle and Jeckle Brothers,
As I said, back to post REPEATEDLY. I came back and saw 10 new comments, almost all from you two and knew there was no need to even read your obsessive blather and mutual love fest for each other. To borrow the phrase from another blogger, you all are the epitome of Internet Ike Turners. Congratulations.
Lion-ess said:
I think Joe and Grata should hook up.. They seem to be always picking on each other... Joe more than Grata.
It was his 1st comment on this post when he picked on what Grata said that turned all the other post into this back and forth bashing.
Menelik says:
There is absolutely no evidence to support this charge! I have copied and pasted what was said and you simply make an accusation and hope that it will stand up.
That is not how fair-minded people conduct themselves, sista!
BE FAIR! BE ACCURATE! BE HONEST!
Menelik Charles
London England
Who is Menelik?
I never mentioned Menelik...
Chill!! I'm only teasing Joe and Grata!! Teasing....
Lighten up... as I said in the same comment ":) Lighten up people! Life is great!"
Chill my brother!! :)
I never made any accusation.. how can u say that from text when U haven't even heard my words or my tone.
See what happens when u try to lighten the mood... people take u too serious... xx
Lion-ess said:
Chill my brother!! :)
Menelik replied:
fair enough, sista.
Menelik Charles
London England
See we all should get along.. Look at Menelik and I...
Are we the only Londoners here?
Jamdown - Name the Blog. If you don't want to do it here you can email me.
I will check it out.
I have sisters also, so no I don't condone hateful bashing of black women.
I don't understand how people think refuting ignorant comments from hateful black women equates me hating black women. But we all look thru life with our own lenses.
"Menelik asks:
Yan, may we quietly conclude that Joe Clyde (and by extension Black men) is the wronged party in this instance, and quickly move on? "
I thought that was very clear to see. But this is more proof that people have very selective reading and comprehension abilities.
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That's right. I forgot you are part of the internal Black men collective group think tank. Because you know all Black men think exactly the same. lol
Grata, Jamdown, and all PRO-BW bloggers on this post,
It seems that the DBR, ANTI-BW HATERS on this post are CONFUSING us with people who CARE about what they think/say when the REALITY is that SOME VILLAGE IS MISSING THESE IDIOTS AND THEY NEED TO RETURN THERE.
Anywhoo
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I do think that the message is getting out to lonely men in America who seem to internalize things to much. That in all reality, they are not alone.
I hope that maybe others can learn from Mr. Sandoni's mistakes and seek some help.
What is an ad hominem argument?
An ad hominem argument consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by ATTACKING…a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or PRODUCING EVIDENCE against the claim.
The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby SUBVERTED, and the ad hominem argument works to CHANGE the subject.
Menelik said:
Having already claimed the following:
“No one has…turned the focus away from the heinous acts of this white man. At least not til JOE CLYDE arrived and had to turn it into bw vs. bm time again…”
And when proven to be 100% wrong, Yanmomma resorted to ad hominem arguments and malicious name-calling (rooted in anti-Black male stereotypes) in order to subvert the ‘argument’ away from a subject in which she could not score points in her favour.
Neither I nor Joe Clyde resorted to such name-calling. We (mostly Joe) just calmly plugged away at establishing a semblance of truth in the face of attempts by numerous posters to embroil Black men into a white-on-white tragedy in which they barely warranted a mention.
It was Grata alone “who turned the focus away from the heinous acts of this white man…into a bw vs. bm” slugfest (“time and again”). Thus in bizarrely confronting Joe Clyde, Yanmomma herself engages in a “bw vs. bm” scenario.
How ironic is that? How sad too considering as I’d previously assumed she was above this sort of nonsense.
Yanmomma now suggests banning certain points-of-view where previously she boasted of the safe haven “moderate IR blogs” provided for opposing point-of-views. She also resorted to speaking in the language of demonisation of her adversary, Khadija of Muslim Bushido, in describing Joe and I as “internet Ike Turners”!
No problem. As long as readers know exactly what is meant by the phrase “ad hominem argument” and what its sole function is, I’m more than happy to be attacked by those who do not know me and, thankfully, play absolutely no part in my life.
Regards
Menelik Charles
London England
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