Devona Walker over at the Loop did an excellent article on this very topic.
There are six women dead and three missing. Shouldn't this story be a big deal? Shouldn't there be warnings? Shouldn't people be on the look out?
Where is the outrage that a man has been suspected of killing eleven women. This man is still on the loose, shouldn't folks be aware, shouldn't this be national news? This person is know as the West Mesa Bone Collector.
This man has also killed 11 women. This person is known as the Grim Sleeper. He has believed to have been on the loose since 1985. Again why have we not heard anything?
I find it odd that we can get national news coverage for a woman who was killed by a reality star, that David Berkowitz, aka Son of Sam killed six people and injured seven is infamous, and the BTK Killer murdered 10 people and received extensive national coverage.
If you can tell me why these people received extensive media coverage and these three suspected serial killers have not, outside the fact that these three suspected serial killers target hispanic and black women, please let me know.
It seems that if a black person dies in a violent way, it is par for the course. If a person who is white dies violently we are all supposed to be outraged! Why are we not outraged or concerned about all races of people?
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"If you can tell me why these people received extensive media coverage and these three suspected serial killers have not, outside the fact that these three suspected serial killers target hispanic and black women, please let me know. "
Maybe because a black or hispanic person is committing the crimes; serial killers almost always pray on those in their own ethnic/racial groups. The media never covers non-white serial killers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8gYc5fvMQ0
With all the cops in my family you would be amazed at how many serial killers are out there. Cops in general try to keep media out or have a general agreement with the media that they don't release alot of details due to the fact that it makes it harder to catch the bad guy. They don't even like to using the word "serial killer" anymore due to the hype it brings.
One case in Peoria I remember the feds were working with the police because they thought the killer might have been a cop. This guy was killing people left and right and was never caught. In the end I think the guy just turned himself in, but I don't remember to clearly.
Girl, don't you know it is only important when a white middle to upper middle-class woman or a small white girl, particularly a blonde one?! Let a poor white woman, a black, hispanic or asian woman of any class, and almost any male (unless maybe he is a very small white boy) disappear and it is no biggie. We don't count. Let my middle-class black butt go missing and except for my Mama, my relatives and a few friends, hardly anyone would care.
Lisa J
I posted the story about the Black women in Rocky Mount, North Carolina. That's so scary.
I had not even heard of the other cases you mention and that's a shame.
I think that now we have our own media in the form of blogs and websites to get this info out. We already know that the MSM is not the least bit interested in Black women being killed.
OH SHIT. I'm going thru Rocky Mount this weekend. I won't be stopping.
I heard about the Grim Sleeper on the BBC. Well atlest the foreign media is interested.
Its the Black Woman we are talking about here, DUH!
It doesn't help that some of these women worked as prostitutes. So from the usual lack of any empathy for the BW you get the blaming of the victim.
One other important question is, how much coverage is the Black Media giving this story.
See many of our problems can begin to be solved from with in first. If the BC cared so much for the BW, we would have a colorofchange type org. to drum up support. But no, its the BW in peril, suddenly our hands are tied.
BW just just be safe and keep out of the Grim sleepers Way. Oh crap, I live in LA and walk the streets at night. If you guys don't hear from me, Oh Well.......
"Girl, don't you know it is only important when a white middle to upper middle-class woman or a small white girl, particularly a blonde one?! Let a poor white woman, a black, hispanic or asian woman of any class, and almost any male (unless maybe he is a very small white boy) disappear and it is no biggie."
This is way beyond race. This is white people, especially white men looking out for their women. Yes the laws say that they should look out for everyone in American society but the natural inclination is to look out for someone that looks like you, and if you can do it and get away with it, its all good.
If your own Black men cannot look out for you and protect you in the most basic way, why should the white male? Because its the job of the police and they are paid by us?
You are only as much worth as you let others treat you. Black Women's worth is so little even to the Black Male and Community that a white Male or white community reaching out to her is going way beyond their call of duty.
What your White policeman can do, is do the minimum his job instructs him to do for you. With the media, they have more freedom to take care of what matters to them most and that is their own.
the reason is because no one cares about black women...we know this
I care about black women...but then i am a black girl so that doesn't count :/
Off topic;
This is gold. An IR married Black female comedian is being sued by her Jewish Mother in Law for the jokes she makes.
Comedian sued
Wow. She's pretty funny. It's obvious her mother in law is racist. Glad her husband is standing behind her in this.
The race of the victims may have something to do with it. But I feel that more often than not, the race of the killer makes a difference. In addition to black female victims, there are thousands of white women who were killed by black males but it does not make national news.
I believe that the answer is for bw to for better relationships with the police in their communities. Right now, we are generally suspicious of them in the name of black men...this suspicion has hurt bw. We have no reason not to trust the police, IMO.
Lormarie sd: "I believe that the answer is for bw to for better relationships with the police in their communities. Right now, we are generally suspicious of them in the name of black men...this suspicion has hurt bw. We have no reason not to trust the police, IMO"
Uh I am a white male and I don't trust on police. The police no longer work on a system of helping the community. Police don't hold you in the same regard as you do them. The love is very much unrequited. It is now an adversarial system. Police see you in a guardian/ward relationship, which one are you?
Police thinking: "You may not be guilty right now but you are guilty of something, and its only a matter of time before you screw up"
You have over two thousand statutes in your traffic code alone, and you are required to follow and obey them by the contract you signed called a drivers license, These statutes can be changed at anytime without notice to you and you are still responsible, yet you went down and had to pass a 20 question test and a drive around the block to get your license, not a 2000 question test.
The congress of the united states passes 37 pages of law PER DAY... This is not 37 laws per day, this is 37 pages. You are expected to know these laws and abide by them as your citizenship requires.
Various states also tack on more or less laws depending on which state you live in.
Now the one thing that governs over almost every aspect of your life is the law and how much of it do you learn in school? Not that I advocate learning the law in the public school system because you would only be taught how to conform to the system the same way lawyers are in law school.
Do you know how many rights are afforded to you? Most people I ask only know of about 5 (If they name any at all). Just think about it for a second. You actually have over 1100 rights available to you, but you only have those rights available to you if you can claim them, and know WHEN to claim them. Failure to object timely is FATAL. Rights can only be claimed by the belligerent claimant in person, not by council or representative.
With all that being said, I would advise that your best defense against predators would be to be proficient in self defense, and carry a gun, or mace if your anti 2nd amendment but remember some people are immune to mace, no one is immune to lead, especially when its moving faster than the speed of sound. If you are later assailed and you kill your aggressor make sure you wet yourself (not kidding) It shows that you were in fear for your life that you lost control of your bodily functions. (the sympathetic nervous system goes into overload drawing all available energy away from non essential body functions in an attempt to survive the life threatening danger, hence the loss of control of body fluids)
That and start studying the law, Pro Se.
Pro Se litigation is your best offense against police and criminals alike. Not to mention reading the code of criminal procedure, all of which can be found at your local library.
Some things will never change. To many, a person of color's life is expendable. Regarding the current case of the California girl gone missing for 18 years, one thing I can never understand is why the media insists on informing us the victim was "blond hair, blue eyed". What is the significance of describing her features? Had it been a Black victim or even a redhead, would the media throw in such a detailed description of hair and eye color? Just saying.
"Wow. She's pretty funny. It's obvious her mother in law is racist. Glad her husband is standing behind her in this."
Its really refreshing to see one fighting back. Imagine how many BW have suffered in silence.
"In addition to black female victims, there are thousands of white women who were killed by black males but it does not make national news."
Really, Whie women killed by BM and it doesn't make the news?I would like to see the stats on this.
"I believe that the answer is for bw to for better relationships with the police in their communities. Right now, we are generally suspicious of them in the name of black men...this suspicion has hurt bw."
The irony of it. BW defend BM against the police and end up being victimized by the same BM at which point the Police has no real interest or incentive in helping them.
Maybe because a black or hispanic person is committing the crimes; serial killers almost always pray on those in their own ethnic/racial groups. The media never covers non-white serial killers
I watched the video you provided and the video is highly inaccurate, the majority of people shown both black and white aren't even technically considered serial killers.
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This is gold. An IR married Black female comedian is being sued by her Jewish Mother in Law for the jokes she makes.
I have to think this is a publicity stunt, there is no way in my mind this woman would be so callous as to sue her own daughter in law and son and end her relationship with her grandchildren over some jokes. Was she equally outraged when the daughter in law was told not to participate in family pictures?
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In addition to black female victims, there are thousands of white women who were killed by black males but it does not make national news.
Typically those don't make the news due to motive, you hear about rape, or home invasion style killings on the daily here in my area. It isn't a strange occurrence. Not saying it is right, but also consider that the population of white people in this country far outweigh the population of blacks, blacks have much easier access to whites than whites do to blacks, so it is also a matter of opportunity.
I believe that the answer is for bw to for better relationships with the police in their communities. Right now, we are generally suspicious of them in the name of black men...this suspicion has hurt bw. We have no reason not to trust the police, IMO.
I'm going to do something shocking here and completely agree with Casper. The role of the police has changed over time, and they are very happy to be adversarial with black women as well as black men. I'm suspicious of police not for black men, but for myself, I don't trust them. They don't really serve and protect in my experience.
They have questioned me for living in my own neighborhood, the few times I have ever been pulled over in my area, it is a grand production, it is usually takes two or three cars to issue a speeding ticket because they are sure they hit the jackpot of crime, they haven't, I am too scared of prison. The one time my husband was pulled over on a traffic stop, it was questioned why I was in the car with him, after all a white man riding around with a black woman, she must be a prostitute, he even quizzed me on my husband's middle initial and address.
I was once rear ended by a drunk driver at a stop sign, the man was passed out cold and when he woke up he tried to flee with out of state license plates. The police came, questioned me, and were getting irritated with me. If it wasn't for the white woman who was directly behind us and saw the accident, they would have continued to berate me instead of deal with the drunk white man who hit me and tried to drive away. Mind you I was rear ended at a stop sign, it should have been an easy observation to who was at fault, but nah, I must have done something, the drunk white man was presumed innocent, me guilty.
Police don't really help me much, and I don't expect to ever need them because I know I was be seen as suspicious, regards to whatever happens.
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Regarding the current case of the California girl gone missing for 18 years, one thing I can never understand is why the media insists on informing us the victim was "blond hair, blue eyed".
Because blonde and blue eyed in white society makes her more valuable than a white person with "darker" features.
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@A.Spence: Be careful up there.
To topic: Very interesting how this doesn't make the national news. Hmm...I wonder why.
@Siddity: I totally agree with you. I remember driving to school in my brand new 2010 Corolla LE my father got me as an early birthday present and I got pulled by a white police officer. He asked for my registration and stuff which did. Anyways after lecturing about the BS reason he pulled me over I went on my merry way and he followed behind me. I thought oh he must just be going to the same way I am. I thought nothing of it. I don't know why but something made me suspicious so I turned another route and he followed right behind me. Then I turned into this closed building and he turned right behind me! That made it clear he was following me! I got so pissed off it was unreal. That sucks that happened to you and your husband Siddity.
Really, Whie women killed by BM and it doesn't make the news?I would like to see the stats on this. --Grata
Yeah there are many. It doesn't make national news because the media has an invested interest in showing the black male as the eternal victim. In fact, there are more white women killed by black men than there are black women killed by whites. That also means that there are black women killed by black men than we are to be killed by whites.
Here's one. I have a wedding to go to later so I'll get other stats.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
I should also add that crimes committed by white men against black women (though rare) don't get that much coverage either. Only the lies do.
I'm suspicious of police not for black men, but for myself, I don't trust them. They don't really serve and protect in my experience.
They have questioned me for living in my own neighborhood, the few times I have ever been pulled over in my area, it is a grand production, it is usually takes two or three cars to issue a speeding ticket because they are sure they hit the jackpot of crime, they haven't, I am too scared of prison. --Siditty
That must be frustrating. But, I'm sure you've read many a black female blogger comlain during the Gates chaos that they were too focused on black men and the police and not black women. I think that we (bw) tend to protest too much. They are more focused on bm because police brutality and racial profiling is primarily a problem for bm as opposed to bw. That does not mean bw are never victims of racist police...it also doesn't mean that white women are never victims of police. It's all about choosing the lesser of two evils. Should we support men who pull us over, give us tickets, and quiz us or the men who are more likely to rape and kill us? Which is worse?
In all honesty, I've never in my near 36 years experienced what you have. I suspect, there probably are a lot of white men picking up black prostitutes in or near your area. The fact that the cops questioned you over your husband is indicative of racial/gender bias. But bw in inner city danger zones would be better served by forming relationships with police over black criminals.
But I understand that you mistrust has nothing to do with bm but your own experience. That's a different story. But still, we might be safe in our own neighborhoods. The black lady in the South Bronx or a slum in TX may not be.
In addition to black female victims, there are thousands of white women who were killed by black males but it does not make national news.
Lormarie. Being that in 2007, black men murdered 719 women and around 85% of those women were black (which equates to around 108 non-black women murdered by black men that year), how exactly do you justify the statement that thousands of white women have been murdered by black men? Are you referencing a timespan of multiple decades?
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_05.html
"What is the significance of describing her features? Had it been a Black victim or even a redhead, would the media throw in such a detailed description of hair and eye color? Just saying."
Good point it shows how the media are color struck.
I believe the obsesion with blondenes is mostly in the US. When I was in teh UK, I remember it was no big deal. In scandinavian countries its no big deal either. Its those that crave the look that enforce it. "White" Americans have that obsession I believe because they don't feel white enough. I have blonde Blue eyed American friends that think nothing of it. Its those others that we often talk about that obsess about it.
"I have to think this is a publicity stunt, there is no way in my mind this woman would be so callous as to sue her own daughter in law and son and end her relationship with her grandchildren over some jokes. Was she equally outraged when the daughter in law was told not to participate in family pictures?"
Sid,
You have too much faith in people. My experience living with that Southern White family makes me think all this is possible.
"Should we support men who pull us over, give us tickets, and quiz us or the men who are more likely to rape and kill us?"
This is where a community's moral standards or ideals count. In my culture, if someone rapes or kills, whether its your brother or father they have to be shamed. Unfortunately that stains your family's name and the damage is generational. BW covering up for Black Male criminals especially drug dealers, thieves and murderers are just inviting crime onto themselves and their children. These guys need to be thrown to the dogs.
And with the internet its now easier than ever.
I think the nail on the head was hit pretty good.
A high percentage of serial killers target specific groups of individuals (probably prostitutes in this case) thus the non-media induced outcry.
I believe the same non-outcry was involved with the Green River Killer (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) as well.
Out my way, the only serial killer that we had was Michael Ross. And the hue and cry was because, you guessed it, the victims were all white females.
"In all honesty, I've never in my near 36 years experienced what you have. I suspect, there probably are a lot of white men picking up black prostitutes in or near your area. The fact that the cops questioned you over your husband is indicative of racial/gender bias. But bw in inner city danger zones would be better served by forming relationships with police over black criminals. "
Considering how few black woman and white male relationships there are, why would you be surprised? The police are well aware that white men are picking up black prostitutes, they will question it if they think it is related to prostitution.
It is interesting how so many black women fear the police but they don't fear the men who kill them in numbers far greater than white women are killed by white men. Black women are still willing to be the sacrificial lambs for black criminals who terrorize them and the community at large.
In all honesty, I've never in my near 36 years experienced what you have. I suspect, there probably are a lot of white men picking up black prostitutes in or near your area. The fact that the cops questioned you over your husband is indicative of racial/gender bias. But bw in inner city danger zones would be better served by forming relationships with police over black criminals.
I live in the most affluent city in America, I seriously doubt there is a big number of white men finding black prostitutes where I live. There isn't enough of a black population to secure enough black prostitutes for this to be an issue. I don't live in a crack neighborhood.
I think it is odd for them to see black people driving around in decent looking cars period. They find it even more odd a white man would have a black women riding in his car on a Saturday afternoon.
Maybe the police love you, but they are suspicious of me.
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It is interesting how so many black women fear the police but they don't fear the men who kill them in numbers far greater than white women are killed by white men. Black women are still willing to be the sacrificial lambs for black criminals who terrorize them and the community at large.
So are you saying that most black men are capable of killing black women? I don't buy it, no black male in my family has murdered or killed black women or anyone for that matter, the majority of black men I know don't kill period. Why should I fear most or all black men because a small percentage kill?
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