I was stupid for trying to have a conversation with him. I try my damnedest to make sure everyone here is heard, even if they don't agree with me. I don't agree with all the comments here, I just can't. We are all very different people with different views of life, and as is expected, people get rubbed the wrong way or just agree to disagree.
He is what I call an attempted "intellectual racist". It is attempted because racists typically aren't very smart. I will be talking about people like him later in another post. I do however feel the need to do this post, and plan to use it as a reminder for all those here who are like him and don't want an actual conversation about race.
What is scary is, I don't even think he read the posts he responded to, he just made assumptions based upon his perceptions and stereotypes and ran with it. How "intellectual" is that?
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How to Suppress Discussions of Racism
Tired of discussions of racism in literature, television, and film? Worn out from the unexpected criticism of your leisure pursuits? Exhausted by the effort of having to respond to each new argument carefully and conscientiously?
We can help!
We'll teach you how to suppress discussion of racism in six easy steps. Soon suppressing dissent will be so easy you can do it in your sleep!
Especially designed for your online needs!
Maybe you've tried a guide before and found it spoke only about face-to-face arguments. Or maybe you're new to the online world and baffled by this chaotic new medium. This guide is just for you! Whether you're a baby troll or an experienced flame warrior, we can teach the best way to make your online environment a safe, friendly, colorblind place. Soon the World Wide Web will be your home away from home — and like your home, it will be full of only the people you want to see.
It's easy!
Just follow the steps below in order.
How to use "How to suppress discussions of racism"
Each step consists of a brief description in bold and further explanation in regular type. Important terms and key phrases are also bolded.
*!* We've also included some special tips for advanced study. They'll be prefaced by the *!* symbol and outlined with a black border. If you find these steps confusing, don't worry! They're just extra help for difficult situations. You can skip them entirely and still suppress most discussions of racism you encounter.
Introduction
Our goal is to show you a few simple techniques you can use to suppress the discussion of racism. As you read, keep in mind that your goal is not to learn or to educate, to listen or be listened to, to increase your understanding of difficult issues, or to exchange opinions and communicate with other people. Your goal is to make discussions of race so difficult and unrewarding that not only your opponent but any witnesses to your argument will never want to discuss race in public again.
Let's get started!
1. Control what your audience sees.
Successful suppression starts with the choices you make before you even begin to write. Don't allow your opponent to set the terms of the discussion. Make sure your account is not just the first but the only story your readers get to hear. The last thing you want is for them to judge your opponent's words for themselves.
Don't link to your opponent's argument.
Many of your readers won't even realize they haven't read the original post, just your response to it.
If you have linked to the opponent, all isn't lost. So many people never bother to click on links that you're reasonably safe as long as you don't quote your opponent's words in context.
If anyone asks you for a link, obfuscate: tell them everyone's talking about it, there are too many examples for you to cite, they can find the background themselves via Google. Remember: you're not responsible for backing up what you say, other people are.
If you've made the mistake of linking to and/or quoting from your opponent, don't worry! The rest of our guide can still help you out.
2. Attack the person, not the argument.
Personal attacks end the discussion before it even starts! If you can accuse your opponent of "paranoia," "white guilt," "internalized racism," "whining," "overreacting," "paternalism," "condescension," "being obsessed with race," "bitching about racism at the drop of a hat," or "taking things too personally," you don't need to bother addressing the content of their remarks. This will save you time and energy you can then devote to happier pursuits.

*!* Personal attacks are sometimes called "ad hominem attacks." "Ad hominem" is Latin. You can safely accuse anyone who uses the phrase of displaying "class prejudice," "academic bullying," or "using fancy phrases to disguise the fact you don't have an argument." As a last resort, you can pretend to misunderstand and accuse your opponent of "homophobia." Be careful! This step can backfire if your opponent has hidden his or her sexual orientation from you. Sometimes people avoid mentioning their sexual orientation when it is not relevant to the current discussion.
3. Argue against straw men
A "straw man argument" occurs when you misrepresent your opponent's position so that it's easier to refute.
Remember: Responding to what your opponent says should always be a last resort. To do so requires the extra effort of reading someone else's words and considering the implications of unfamiliar or uncomfortable thoughts. The discussion will go much faster if you just assume your opponent has said what you want to argue about and respond to that instead.

Here are some straw men you can use almost any time someone mentions race or criticizes racial representation in a book/film/TV show/comic book:
"Do you want to censor an artist's vision?"
"Please, like a movie/book/comic book is going to turn people racist or make white people want to enslave black people again?"
"According to you, the director/writer/artist sat down and decided to oppress people of color!"
"You want people to boycott art unless it's politically correct."
"You think people shouldn't enjoy art if it has racist elements."
"You think art isn't any good if it's racist."
"You think anyone who disagrees with you is a racist."
4. Deflect attention away from the specific criticism.
Remember, your goal is to avoid having to focus on what your opponent has actually said. We've compiled a list of helpful phrases that deflect attention away from specific discussion of racism. You can use them to respond to almost any discussion of racism, regardless of the content.

We recommend you mix and match responses; arguing is more fun when there's some variety involved. Be careful not to use all the responses at once, or else your opponent may notice that you are contradicting yourself.
"Why are you complaining about racism instead of sexism/homophobia/ageism/classism/genocide/world hunger?"
"I'm [a member of an oppressed group] and I'm not offended."
"My friend is [a member of an oppressed group] and he/she is not offended."
"Why aren't you talking about the white people in the book/film/comic book/TV show?"
"It's just a book/film/comic book/TV show!"
5. Racism, however ugly, is better than the alternative.
Sometimes, even when you do your best, your opponent is so persistent that you are forced to discuss racism. Don't worry: it's not your fault and soon it won't be your problem.
In most of these cases, you can rely on a few handy responses that define racism in a way that benefits you, prove that racism is better than the measures that would have to be taken against it, or otherwise misdirect your opponent's attention.
"Pointing out racism just makes it harder for us to achieve a colorblind society. You shouldn't judge people based on their race."
"Focusing so much on race just shows that you're racist yourself."
"Minorities can be racist too, you know!"
"Even if it's not the best representation of minority characters, it's better than having no minority characters at all, isn't it?"
"You'd rather have boringly flawless and politically correct minority characters?"
"Everyone knows it's bad to be racist now, so why make people feel defensive and ashamed by pointing incidents out?"
"Maybe it's racist, but what about reverse racism?"

*!* Because individuals are innocent until proven guilty, your opponent needs to prove that the writer/director/artist consciously and intentionally insulted people of color. Showing a long-term pattern of racial discrimination in literature/film/TV/comics/society/culture/law doesn't prove that this instance is doing any harm.
6. Prove your opponent has mistaken some other quality for racism.
In the worst-case scenario, you may need to respond to specific points in your opponent's argument. In these cases, familiarity with the book/film/TV show/comic book in question will help you customize your response to best effect.
Warning: Not all of the responses below will be applicable to all situations. Make sure that you only use responses appropriate for the current argument.
"Since everyone knows those are racist stereotypes, no one takes them seriously anymore and they can't do any harm. You're just missing the joke/clever subversion of the stereotype."
"It could be just a coincidence that this character fits an objectionable racial stereotype."
"It's not racist, it's just one character's point of view!"
If your opponent objects to this, see 3a. Any attempt to question why this character has been chosen or how the narrative is structured should be countered firmly with "Go write your own book/movie/comic book/TV show then!"
"It's not racist, interesting things only happen to white people!"
Because people of color have been oppressed, it's necessary to make protagonists powerful people, i.e. white. People of color have led lives too depressing, constricted, or painful to make for good fiction. Audiences come to art for escape, not to see the underdogs win or the powerless gain power or characters grow during the course of the film; and escape is, of course, incompatible with protagonists of color.
"It's not racist, it's historically accurate!"
You do not need to be familiar with the historical era in question. Your opponent probably doesn't know any more about the era than you do.
"It's not racist, it's a fantasy!"
Once a work of entertainment incorporates fantastical elements, it is no longer influenced by, reflective of, or capable of commenting on the real world.
"It's not racist, those people really are like that!"
If pressed, say that you've observed this behavior yourself. Your opponent can't prove you haven't.
"It's not racist, look how the white characters are treated!"
When in doubt, always emphasize the impact on white characters. If the characters of color are unreal in their stupidity, fecklessness, cowardice, or violence, you can point out that the white characters are equally unreal in their bravery, intelligence, wit, and compassion. Since all the characters are unrealistic, your opponent shouldn't single out the portrait of the characters of color for special opprobrium.
Review
Control what your audience sees.
Attack the person, not the argument.
Argue against straw men.
Deflect attention away from the specific criticism.
Racism, however ugly, is better than the alternative.
Prove your opponent has mistaken some other quality for racism.
That's it! With these six easy steps, you can make any discussion of racism so frustrating that your opponent will never bring up the subject again.
10 comments:
I always thought of you as raccist in favour of white men lol
I'm impressed.
Those particular tips in that very well written post can be applied to almost any other hot button topic, such as religion or homosexuality.
I haven't seen it done much in the blog world, probably because I don't surf certain parts of the blog world as much as I do others (shame on me I guess), but I have seen all the tactics mentioned applied to the nth degree in the chat rooms.
Siditty,
Did you draw those? Really neat!
You are getting me hooked on your blog (again). lol.
Good morning Siditty,
I don't consider your attempt at intelligent discussion stupid. I thought you exercised tremendous patience in addressing those topics.
We don't all have to agree but we ought to have sense enough to accept that simple concept. Some who read your blog will never get that.
Someone sent me an email yesterday that cited the statistics on Black crime in the U.S. along with a Who's Who list of African dictators. I have no idea who this person is nor why they felt compelled to send this information to me. I assume in their own small, one-celled organic mind, this email "would enable me to see things their way".
I thought about your blog and why anyone would write you in such a condescending manner and expect you to respect anything they have to say.
I've tried to have intelligent discussions regarding race with White friends and associates. I've found that people are uncomfortable discussing two subjects: death and race. If I'm able to see things from the perspective of a White's view of race relations, then we've had an intelligent and productive discussion. If not, it's because I'm argumentative and a Black racist.
If there are Whites willing to explore the subject of racism in this country, I would welcome them to the discussion table. I have no interest in debating the subject or getting so-called conclusive evidence of how much better the world would be without any people of African descent.
It seems I needed to vent this morning and I chose to do so on your blog; none of my venting is directed towards you.
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LOL...good post.
Some people like to start shit, then cry foul when it gets thrown back in their faces. There's no attempt at understanding. Just a need to get THEIR point across, THEN when it isn't met with adulation, resort to stomping whining and accusations. Then..return to your own blog for a big circle jerk made up of like minded people cut from the same transparent cloth. :)
Some of us were watching Siditty, and knew exactly what was happening. People like this are an exercise in futility. You can speak as eloquently and as rationally as you like because these people are of the "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts!" clique.
This was a good exercise for you though. You can now identify yet ANOTHER type of racist. The self denying, aggrandizing, loathe to draw upon your experience as a PoC who actually has BEEN through what they only speak and theorize of, closet condescension type. :)
I've seen many like him and once they have been identified are easily dealt with next time around. Just stick with facts and objective neutrality. Once they start with the run around, address them in a formal manner that this is a discussion and these are the parameters. If they persist, ban them...then watch the "true" person come out. Rabid and salivating at the mouth..itching to tell you in the most base and coarse manner what they think of you and "you people". :)
Siddity, I just did a post (the link is there) on a recent article that Newsweek did on a study of liberal suburbanites, the very same white liberal suburbanites that Evets is talking about.
I think that article pretty much proves just how much growing he needs to do.
oh no miriam, i did not draw those, those came with the article :)
Someone sent me an email yesterday that cited the statistics on Black crime in the U.S. along with a Who's Who list of African dictators. I have no idea who this person is nor why they felt compelled to send this information to me. I assume in their own small, one-celled organic mind, this email "would enable me to see things their way".
was it jovent, Mr. man @mrm9114@gmail.com, or Igor. They send me those emails constantly. They made a habit of posting comments here for a while, but I nipped it in the bud. Essentially, they copy and past stuff off of extreme right wing websites, stormfront, and Steve Sailer. It is copy pasted verbatim, and no matter how many times you block them, they come up with more emails addresses to use. If you engage in debate with them, they do things like Mr. Man and refer to you as a "cunt" and hope your baby dies. He did that yesterday.
They sound like mental giants, don't they?
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This was a good exercise for you though. You can now identify yet ANOTHER type of racist. The self denying, aggrandizing, loathe to draw upon your experience as a PoC who actually has BEEN through what they only speak and theorize of, closet condescension type. :)
Yes I have learned that from this experience.
I stopped taking that child seriously when he complained about whites not being free call black people "niggers" in public.
LOL! I am not surprised. I called out that same person a while back for his condescending attitude towards the people who post here. I bet you he could never feel as confident in an all white environment.
I swear Blacks should start charging such parasites.
He has to go to a blog where he feels he is "intellectually superior" (LOL!) and practise his newly acquired debating skills. I stopped paying attention to him long ago.
He is just an intellectual parasite.
Yes, you heard me, you come here to feed off people's intellect then go back and horn your arguments on your pathetic blog all the while not giving credit to your information or intellectually enriching source.
And silly, by the smart brains here I don't include me, I know myself well enough.
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